10/31/2005 04:34:00 PM|W|P|Minnesota Democrats Exposed|W|P|
This is a weak release. "Potentially" divisive? Have the guts to say if he is or isn't. ##
Potentially Divisive Second-Choice Nominee Raises Questions
St. Paul - In nominating Judge Samuel Alito to replace Justice Sandra Day O'Connor on the U.S. Supreme Court, President George W. Bush has rewarded the destructive behavior of the extreme right wing of the Republican Party that blocked the nomination of Harriet Miers. Instead of uniting the country behind a consensus nominee, the President has picked a fight. "The stakes could not be higher," state DFL chair Brian Melendez said. "Justice O'Connor has been the deciding vote in several significant cases on a narrowly divided Court. The White House and Judge Alito have a responsibility to show that he shares Justice O’Connor's recognition of the individual rights and freedoms guaranteed in the Constitution." Judge Alito has the burden to forthrightly answer questions and provide a clear and full representation of his constitutional philosophy. The appropriate time and consideration must be given to this nomination. "Justice O'Connor has graciously agreed to serve until her replacement is confirmed," Melendez said. "This gives the Senate time to fully consider Judge Alito's nomination and not have the process hijacked, as it was in the case of Harriet Miers, by extremists in the Republican Party. The process is far too important to be rushed or held to an arbitrary deadline." Melendez added, "It is curious that those who wish to pack the Court with conservative judicial activists are much more enthusiastic about President Bush's second-choice nominee than they were about his first. The President's choice to divide the country raises serious questions. Americans deserve serious and thoughtful answers." Source: DFL Party press release |W|P|113080619689734060|W|P|DFL PRESS RELEASE ON SCOTUS NOMINEE|W|P|minnesotademocratsexposed@hotmail.com10/31/2005 02:33:00 PM|W|P|Minnesota Democrats Exposed|W|P|
RYBAK UNDERCUTS FOUNDATION OF KLOBUCHAR CANDIDACY
ST. PAUL - Republican Party of Minnesota Chairman Ron Carey today issued the following statement regarding Mayor R.T. Rybak's comments during last night's debate. "During last night's televised debate between R.T. Rybak and Peter McLaughlin, Mayor Rybak undercut the heart of Amy Klobuchar's Senate candidacy by highlighting the fact '70% of the people who committed homicide in Minneapolis last year were on Hennepin County probation.' "Amy Klobuchar often boasts about her record fighting crime. Unfortunately for her, even R.T. Rybak recognizes that the prosecution of violent crime in Hennepin County has been completely unacceptable in recent years." Source: Republican Party of Minnesota press release. ## I posted earlier today on this subject. |W|P|113079814002948659|W|P|BREAKING NEWS: REPUBLICAN PARTY OF MINNESOTA HITS KLOBUCHAR WITH RYBAK COMMENT|W|P|minnesotademocratsexposed@hotmail.com10/31/2005 04:03:00 PM|W|P|Blogger StPaul_DFLer|W|P|Since when does the County Attorney make decisions on sentencing?

I thought that was the job of the activist judges that the Republicans complain about so much.

Speaking of which, how many of these judges are Republican appointees?

The Republicans seem to go into a frenzy over Hatch and Klobuchar. Those must be the two they are most worried about.10/31/2005 02:22:00 PM|W|P|Minnesota Democrats Exposed|W|P|
Click on the picture above to read Patty Wetterling's Halloween email.
I feel sorry for Wetterling's campaign.|W|P|113079737601693108|W|P|HAPPY HALLOWEEN FROM PATTY WETTERLING|W|P|minnesotademocratsexposed@hotmail.com10/31/2005 05:00:00 PM|W|P|Blogger King'sLegion|W|P|PW really is inspiring....

So inspiring I just made a donation to Mark Kennedy.10/31/2005 05:03:00 PM|W|P|Blogger Minnesota Democrats Exposed|W|P|Please tell others to make a donation.10/31/2005 12:58:00 PM|W|P|Minnesota Democrats Exposed|W|P|
Is that a "DE" above Kline? What the heck does that mean? UPDATE: I now understand what it means. I ain't too smart sometimes.
|W|P|113079230889278921|W|P|HAPPY HALLOWEEN FROM COLEEN ROWLEY|W|P|minnesotademocratsexposed@hotmail.com10/31/2005 01:24:00 PM|W|P|Blogger StPaul_DFLer|W|P|De
Kline

A cute way of saying Decline Kline.
See? De-Kline
Or, De-Kline the Second Congressional District.10/31/2005 01:28:00 PM|W|P|Blogger Minnesota Democrats Exposed|W|P|I feel like a complete dumbass for not understanding what it means.10/31/2005 01:30:00 PM|W|P|Blogger Minnesota Democrats Exposed|W|P|It is taking all of the power I have to resist the urge to remove this post.

I am such a fool.10/31/2005 01:31:00 PM|W|P|Blogger Sean Broom|W|P|I feel like a complete dumbass for not understanding what it means.

Just so you know, this feeling may become more widespread as we head into 2006.

Sean10/31/2005 01:42:00 PM|W|P|Blogger StPaul_DFLer|W|P|It's a little advertising for Coleen. You may want to be sure that you're not in any campaign violations. Equal time may be demanded by the Kline camp, if they ever get into 'campaing mode'.10/31/2005 02:51:00 PM|W|P|Blogger Kevin from Minneapolis|W|P|Holy moses! Sean displays humor!

What next, cats playing with dogs?!?

LOL10/31/2005 03:32:00 PM|W|P|Blogger Swiftee|W|P|Ya know MDE, it occurs to me that our friend sp_dink must work for the state.

Who else has the time to surf the web all day posting comments?

The last troll that came anywhere near dink's fecund internet activity was Eva Young, who besides sharing dink's obvious mental deficiencies also works for the state of Minnesota.

Wha'cha think?10/31/2005 03:50:00 PM|W|P|Blogger Sean Broom|W|P|Yo, so when can I see, and take part in STPAULDFLer kicking your backwards ignorant ass?

Sean10/31/2005 03:58:00 PM|W|P|Blogger StPaul_DFLer|W|P|Poor, poor tommie Swiftless.
Old, unskilled and already a rejected candidate for office- he's got nothing to offer the debate but insults. I'm wondering where he fits in the time to do this between prancing around with that tinfoil pirates hat and complaing about the UN and black helicopters.

Be kind to him, the world has changed and he's yearning for the good ol' days.10/31/2005 05:21:00 PM|W|P|Blogger Swiftee|W|P|Tell you what sean..your pal sp_dink has developed a severe case of yellow stripe fever.

But you are more than welcome to take his spot anytime you want, one pinhead is the same as any other to me.10/31/2005 05:27:00 PM|W|P|Blogger Swiftee|W|P|Hell who knows.

Maybe between the two of you, you might kick this poor old man's ignorant ass...or at least come up with enough balls to try.

Heh.10/31/2005 05:45:00 PM|W|P|Blogger StPaul_DFLer|W|P|Hey Swiftless, you want to try to attempt to comment on the subject?

We're all aware that you are a bad-ass chopper rider, tough guy, mullet preserver.

Before you crush us with your feats of strength, can you just wow us once with something of substance?

Just once?
Then you can go to your Easy Rider Bluto routine.10/31/2005 06:02:00 PM|W|P|Blogger Swiftee|W|P|You really are a dimwit aren't you?

You may have made a career out of tossing out threats while hiding behind your keyboard, but let me tell you something:

You threatened the wrong dude this time.

I'm digging baby, I'm digging and I'm getting close..like I said, we'll have our face to face sooner than you think.

We'll have a real nice chat then Craig.10/31/2005 08:25:00 PM|W|P|Blogger Cyril Sneer|W|P|Equal time may be demanded by the Kline camp, if they ever get into 'campaing mode'.

Why would they ever want to get into campaign mode? Rowley seems to be doing enough damage on her own.

P.S. De Kline may not mean 'decline,' it might just be at diversity statement from the Spanish that Coleen learned at the Crawford Ranch..."De Kline" could just be some deep hidden message meaning "Of Kline."

No, never mind, that'd just be almost as lame and stupid as a motto like...oh I don't know...'Always Try?'10/31/2005 11:15:00 PM|W|P|Blogger StPaul_DFLer|W|P|Craig?
Keep digging or not. I don't give a shit.

I take from your response that no, you cannot add anything to the debate.

Little tommie Swiftless is going to teach me a great big lesson. What you gonna do? Kick my ass and teach a lesson about making Republicans look dumb?

Just stick to the comments tommie Tyke. You don't want to enbarass yourself.

You'll know who I am when I decide you'll know until then, enjoy the free schooling I'm generous enough to hand to you.

Just say thank you.10/31/2005 11:28:00 PM|W|P|Blogger Da Polga|W|P|Perhaps, in a few months, this whole thing will have escalated to the point where we have two factions, each a couple hundred strong, who decide to duke it out in the streets of Minneapolis.

Half of them, of course, will be wearing masks to preserve their blogger identities.11/01/2005 05:36:00 AM|W|P|Blogger John Jordan.com|W|P|What next, cats playing with dogs?!?

Human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together, mass hysteria...

(A little Ghostbuster lingo there...)11/01/2005 05:39:00 AM|W|P|Blogger StPaul_DFLer|W|P|Da Polga,
How will you be able to distinguish us from the other groups fighting in the streets of Mpls ;)

I say we move it up to Brooklyn Park.11/01/2005 07:27:00 AM|W|P|Blogger Sean Broom|W|P|I've always wanted to act out a scene from the Warriors.

Sean11/01/2005 08:03:00 AM|W|P|Blogger John Jordan.com|W|P|I say we move it up to Brooklyn Park.

Your sort of politics would fit right in. :)11/01/2005 02:02:00 PM|W|P|Blogger Da Polga|W|P|Yeah, I'm cool with B.P.

Instead of chains, we can use USB cords, and we can substitute flash drives for knives.

We can turn this into a whole event, with media coverage and all. Imagine how many more hits our various blogs would get.11/01/2005 03:24:00 PM|W|P|Blogger StPaul_DFLer|W|P|What's your motto Cyril?
Always Bendover?

Speaking of Spanish, isn't the President well spoken in his spanish? Think he learned that at diversity school?11/05/2005 05:59:00 PM|W|P|Blogger Todd Ouellette|W|P|Your blog is partisan crap.
GOP always right.
DFL always wrong.
This automatically means you are wrong %50 of the time.
Both parties suck. They routinely cover for each other.

Keep up the horrible, partisan job MDE.10/31/2005 10:13:00 AM|W|P|Minnesota Democrats Exposed|W|P|
I just received this information from the Republican National Committee.
JUDGE SAMUEL A. ALITO, JR., BACKGROUND
Judge Alito Is Well Qualified To Serve As Associate Justice Of The U.S. Supreme Court. Judge Alito has the keen intellect, impartiality and temperament, sound legal judgment and highest integrity necessary in a U.S. Supreme Court justice.
  • Judge Alito Is Committed To The Rule Of Law And Understands The Role Of A Judge In Our Society. Judge Alito has a record as a federal judge who strictly interprets the law. Judge Alito rules based on application of existing laws and specific facts of the case before him. Judge Alito does not legislate from the bench or create new policies based on personal opinion.
  • Judge Alito Personifies The Qualities President Bush Said He Would Seek In A Supreme Court Justice. Judge Alito has shown a mastery of the law, a deep commitment to justice and equality, and great personal character.
  • Judge Alito Has Been Called The Legal Profession's "Best" With "Exemplary" Judicial Qualifications. Judge Alito has a record of professional achievement and excellence. When Judge Alito was appointed to the federal bench in 1990, the New Jersey Law Journal wrote of his appointment: "Mr. Alito is one of our profession's best: His commitment to public service is deep and his qualifications for his new office exemplary."
Judge Alito Has Extensive Legal Experience. During his nearly 30 years of public service, Judge Alito has handled difficult and complex legal issues at the highest levels of the legal profession. His legal experience, as a litigator and judge, spans both the civil and criminal spheres.
  • Judge Alito Began His Distinguished Career With Approximately 15 Years Of Service At The U.S. Department Of Justice where he served as:
  • Assistant U.S. Attorney in the appellate division arguing cases before the Third Circuit Court of Appeals.
  • Assistant to the Solicitor General arguing 12 cases on behalf of the federal government in the U.S. Supreme Court.
  • Deputy Assistant Attorney General in the Office of Legal Counsel providing constitutional advice for the Executive Branch.
  • U.S. Attorney for the District of New Jersey where he is best known for prosecuting white collar and environmental crimes, drug trafficking, organized crime, and violations of civil rights.
  • The U.S. Senate Unanimously Confirmed Judge Alito To The Third Circuit Court Of Appeals. In 1990, President George H. Bush nominated Judge Alito to the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Third Circuit. The U.S. Senate unanimously confirmed Judge Alito by voice vote.
  • Judge Alito Has Served With Distinction On The Third Circuit Court Of Appeals For 15 Years. Judge Alito has participated in thousands of appeals and authored hundreds of opinions. Judge Alito has argued 12 Supreme Court cases and argued at least two dozen court of appeals cases and handled at least 50 others. Judge Alito's constitutional decisions reflect attention to the properly restrained role of a judge. On questions of statutory interpretation, Judge Alito relies on the plain language of the statute.
  • Judge Alito Has An Excellent Legal Education. Judge Alito received his bachelor’s degree from Princeton University and attended Yale Law School, where he served as an editor on the Yale Law Journal. After law school, Judge Alito clerked for Judge Leonard Garth of the Third Circuit, who is now his colleague on that court.
Judge Alito Is Widely Respected For His Fairness. Judge Alito has a reputation as an even-tempered and fair-minded judge.
  • Judge Alito Was Named One Of The Top Prosecutors In One Of The Nation’s Largest Federal Districts. As the U.S. Attorney for the District of New Jersey he showed a passionate commitment to the rule of law, and gained a reputation for being both tough and fair.
  • The Almanac Of The Federal Judiciary Has Called Him “Brilliant” With An "Excellent Demeanor." Practitioners quoted in the Almanac of the Federal Judiciary reported that Judge Alito is courteous and quiet on the bench, and his questions are intelligent and relevant.
JUDGE SAMUEL A. ALITO, JR., BIOGRAPHY
  • Samuel A. Alito, Jr., was born in April, 1950, in Trenton, New Jersey.
  • Alito received his bachelor's degree from Princeton University and attended Yale Law School, where he served as an editor on the Yale Law Journal.
  • Alito clerked for Judge Leonard Garth of the Third Circuit, who is now his colleague on that court.
  • From 1977-1980, Alito served as an Assistant U.S. Attorney in the appellate division, where he argued cases before the circuit court to which he was later appointed.
  • From 1981-1985, Alito served as Assistant to the Solicitor General. He has argued 12 cases on behalf of the federal government in the U.S. Supreme Court and he has argued numerous others before the federal courts of appeals.
  • From 1985-1987, Alito served in the Office of Legal Counsel as Deputy Assistant Attorney General where he provided constitutional advice for the Executive Branch.
  • From 1987-1989, Alito served as U.S. Attorney for the District of New Jersey where he is best known for prosecuting white collar and environmental crimes, drug trafficking, organized crime, and violations of civil rights.
  • Alito was unanimously confirmed by the U.S. Senate to serve as U.S. Attorney for the District of New Jersey.
  • In 1990, President George H. Bush nominated Judge Alito to the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Third Circuit.
  • Alito was unanimously confirmed by voice vote by the U.S. Senate for the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Third Circuit.
  • Judge Alito has participated in thousands of appeals and authored hundreds of opinions.
  • Judge Alito has argued 12 Supreme Court cases and argued at least two dozen court of appeals cases and handled at least 50 others.
  • Alito has participated in various professional associations including the New Jersey Federal Bar Association (member of advisory board); the New Jersey State Bar Association; the American Bar Association; and the Federalist Society.
  • In 1985, Alito married Martha-Ann Bomgardner, with whom he has two children.
|W|P|113078238500333510|W|P|WHO IS JUDGE SAMUEL A. ALITO?|W|P|minnesotademocratsexposed@hotmail.com10/31/2005 10:25:00 AM|W|P|Blogger Sean Broom|W|P|This blog is called Minnesota Democrats Exposed. It is not called Minnesota Republicans Exposed or Highlight the Problems of the Bush Administration.

So, what exactly does this have to do with Minnesota MDE?

This is a disgusting case of you being a hypocritical flip-flopper.

Sean10/31/2005 10:42:00 AM|W|P|Blogger Minnesota Democrats Exposed|W|P|If I am correct, Senator Dayton does have to vote on (or filibuster) this nominee.

Easy Sean, don't get too excited. I have always tried to post information on Supreme Court picks because of this reason.

Please note the links on the right side of my blog.10/31/2005 10:51:00 AM|W|P|Blogger StPaul_DFLer|W|P|I say fight hard, but confirm this guy. He will be a fucking anchor around the necks of the Bushies.

True conservatives, which he is, are not big on Big Government.
-Patriot Act, bye-bye
-Eminent Domain-see ya
-FCC lax regs- over

Anyway, he disagreed with Bush v. Gore and upheld a court ruling that allowed a couple of Muslim cops to keep their beards against department regulations.
So, he still understands civil liberties and amendments beyond the 2nd.

Let's get these hearing going!10/31/2005 05:11:00 PM|W|P|Blogger Brent Metzler|W|P|So, he still understands civil liberties and amendments beyond the 2nd.

So the liberals I've been listening too all day (Hello Senator Schumer!) who have been claiming that Alito will turn back the clock on history were lying? Liberals lying? That's unbelievable. Which Democrat do I believe?

Please try to help me out by working out a unified message and then come back. Thanks11/01/2005 07:42:00 AM|W|P|Blogger StPaul_DFLer|W|P|Now you want me to try to rally my boys behind a unified message?

Where was that unity last month when the Republicans were tearing themselves a new over Miers.

Before Miers, they were running commercials and doing the sound bites that ALL judicial nominees deserve an up or down vote on the floor. Yet, they pushed Miers over cliff before that could happen.

I still beleive that Alito will be a Souter in the sense that he is constitutional and is not afraid or so political that the Executive branch can push an agenda thru him.

But, if my boys think they can filibuster this nominee and blow the process up until we get someone more moderate- or it weighs unfavorably on the Republicans (thus bringing down their approval ratings even more), more power to them. I'll take that too.

How's that for help?11/05/2005 06:14:00 PM|W|P|Blogger Todd Ouellette|W|P|Jeesus. MDE thinks a GOP press release is reliable.
They probably still believe the WMD claims.

Maybe next week they can post one of Rep. Gutkneckt's press releases on how well things are going in Iraq.10/31/2005 09:37:00 AM|W|P|Minnesota Democrats Exposed|W|P|

Minneapolis Mayor R.T. Rybak said last night during his debate with Peter McLaughlin on KSTP that 70% of the people who committed a murder in Minneapolis in the past year were on parole from Hennepin County.

Click here to watch the video. Hennepin County Attorney and U.S. Senate candidate Amy Klobuchar must have loved Rybak's comments. I have other posts (here & here) detailing how the Minneapolis mayoral race hurts Klobuchar's candidacy. Rybak's comments will haunt Klobuchar for the rest of her campaign.|W|P|113078104340616611|W|P|RYBAK'S COMMENTS WILL HAUNT KLOBUCHAR|W|P|minnesotademocratsexposed@hotmail.com10/31/2005 01:20:00 PM|W|P|Blogger ReaganBlows|W|P|Since when did county attorneys start sentencing people?10/31/2005 01:26:00 PM|W|P|Blogger StPaul_DFLer|W|P|Oh, they'll (GOPers) will spin to her sentencing people as well as arresting them.

Don't let the facts get in the way of GOP Spin.10/30/2005 03:22:00 PM|W|P|Minnesota Democrats Exposed|W|P|Just remember that Democrats brought up Rowley's appearance, not Republicans. "[Coleen] Rowley, who retired from the FBI last year, said she's spoken to people to get their input, both inside and outside of politics, but has been put off by some suggestions that she get a 'makeover.' 'I've butted heads with a few people - anyone who tells me I have to spruce up my hair and buy a new wardrobe,' Rowley said, declining to identify the source of this unwanted advice. 'I haven't worn makeup since I was 21. You have to be authentic and genuine in serving the populace.' Source: Associated Press, May 23, 2005 "But she's still wary of political consultants who have advised her to apply makeup, upgrade her wardrobe and update her hairstyle. 'It's just my gut instinct that it's all wrong for me," she says. 'It's not who I am.'" Source: Time, June 6, 2005 But Rowley must have decided to go against her instincts and pretend to be someone that she isn't: "Rowley often jokes about the criticism she got for her somewhat disheveled appearance when she testified before the U.S. Senate. But she seems to have taken such remarks to heart as well - she's since replaced her oversized aviator eyeglasses with a smaller pair, and has adopted a more stylish haircut." Source: Associated Press, October 30, 2005 It's sad Rowley can't "be authentic and genuine in serving the populace."|W|P|113071491309992190|W|P|WILL THE REAL COLEEN ROWLEY PLEASE STAND-UP?|W|P|minnesotademocratsexposed@hotmail.com10/30/2005 07:06:00 PM|W|P|Blogger StPaul_DFLer|W|P|Hmm MDE, getting a little bored?

Have you seen Coleen since her supposed haircut and smaller glasses?

No difference. Sort of like when they replaced Darren on Bewitched from Dick York to Dick Seargent. Who could tell?

More ho-hum.

Let's compare her background in counter-terrorism with John Kline's military background and figure out which one will serve us better in that aspect?

Her looks? Who cares?10/30/2005 07:29:00 PM|W|P|Blogger StPaul_DFLer|W|P|MDE wrote:
"It's sad Rowley can't "be authentic and genuine in serving the populace."
----------------------

Really? Re-read the story you printed below this and say that again. It is a documented fact that she served the public much better than her superiors in Washington were.

She cut her hair pal. Women tend to do that at least once in 20 years.

Blah, blah, blah. Still trying to distract from the story of the day. Indictments! Republicans 3 (plus two pending) Democrats 0.10/30/2005 07:52:00 PM|W|P|Blogger Minnesota Democrats Exposed|W|P|St. Paul DFLer:

This blog is called Minnesota Democrats Exposed. It is not called Minnesota Republicans Exposed or Highlight the Problems of the Bush Administration.

Aside from the occasional post on national politics, I think by now you would understand that Minnesota Demcrats Exposed focuses on Minnesota Democrats.

As a Democrat, you clearly have an interest in reminding the readers of Minnesota Democrats Exposed of the problems that you and other Democrats have with Republicans at all levels of government.

Statments such as "Blah, blah, blah. Still trying to distract from the story of the day. Indictments! Republicans 3 (plus two pending) Democrats 0," are not appreciated.

It clear you wish to engage in a debate about Scooty Libby, but not every post on Minnesota Democrats Exposed is the appropriate place.10/30/2005 08:14:00 PM|W|P|Blogger StPaul_DFLer|W|P|Fine. Just don't go deleting my posts. And, even when I try to change the subject, I do the courtesy of addressing the subject you posted. Even in this case.

Since you about to start censoring my posts, can I take it that they only way to sto me is to excercise that ability to delete?

See, in my name, i expose myself as a DFLer. Its there for all to attack- and they try. Post after post not once addressing the subject, but addressing me directly. I can take it.

If you want only praise, or weak DFL comments like before I got here, then find you own Alan Colmes and let him post for the 'other side' and delete all others. You already have MN Lefty Liberal.

I'm also the only one who can sway from partisanship to point out right and wrong.

Problem seems to be your boys are bitching about the dust that I'm kicking up and backing up.

Well, I know Republicans. Your next step will be to expell this voice of dissent so that the group may continue to stroke each other to compliance.

Whatever.10/30/2005 08:27:00 PM|W|P|Blogger Minnesota Democrats Exposed|W|P|I have no intention of deleting your posts. I just simply ask that you not be a broken record about Scooter Libby on every post.

(If you ask me, Scooter Libby should be indicted for have a nickname like Scooter)

I encourage you to continue posting and being a royal pain in the ass to the many Republicans who visit Minnesota Democrats Exposed.

BTW: Unless you are a teenager, don't ever end a post with "whatever."

MDE10/30/2005 08:46:00 PM|W|P|Blogger StPaul_DFLer|W|P|My bad on the 'whatever'.

I'm sure Scooter will have people to call him Lew from this point on.

And, how many republicans do you think read this blog? Any big time pols?10/30/2005 08:52:00 PM|W|P|Blogger Minnesota Democrats Exposed|W|P|I don't know how many.10/31/2005 03:06:00 AM|W|P|Blogger Truth and Justice|W|P|Slow news day when the best you can do is 'highlight' Coleens fashion sense. Perhaps you should consider renaming your blog to 'Minnesota Democrat Remakes'!

And since you brought the burning hot topic of fashion sense and being 'real' to our attention, how do you think Scooter will look in an orange jumpsuit?10/31/2005 08:27:00 AM|W|P|Blogger StPaul_DFLer|W|P|Hey MDE, this thread is dead. Let's get the new SCOTUS discussion going.10/30/2005 02:37:00 PM|W|P|Minnesota Democrats Exposed|W|P|

Coleen Rowley is out of control and she should apologize for these comments:

"I think what happened on 9/11 allowed the administration ... to pursue policies of prisoner abuse, violation of civil liberties..."

Democrats are becoming increasingly concerned about Rowley's comments:

"She needs to develop some discipline in how she talks, and what she talks about," Blois Olson.

Back in September a DFLer in the 2nd Congressional District, who at the time was no longer supporting Rowley's candidacy, provided me with information to expose Rowley. ##

FBI whistleblower Rowley tries to adapt to campaign trail MONTGOMERY, Minn. (AP) Coleen Rowley on the campaign trail sounds a lot like Coleen Rowley the FBI whistleblower.

The former special agent who earned national renown in 2002 for scathing critiques of the bureau's pre-9/11 intelligence failures has brought the same blunt, gritty style to her fledgling run for Congress. She's trying to topple a Republican incumbent who, she argues, is too closely tied to President Bush, especially in his support for the Iraq war.

"This was a lied-into war that is a quagmire now," Rowley recently told a group of Democrats gathered in a garage in this small town south of the Twin Cities, a car on blocks off to one side. "It could be worse than Vietnam. The truth is we can't win, and there's still an ongoing deception."

Rowley's celebrity - she's been on the cover of Time magazine twice, including as a Person of the Year in 2002, and is a frequent guest on cable talk shows - is the key factor in what's expected to be national Democratic support for her effort to unseat Rep. John Kline, who's not well-known outside the 2nd Congressional District.

But Rowley's harsh rhetoric, lack of polish and independent streak have some observers worried about an important race in the Democratic effort to wrest control of Congress from Republicans.

"We're still early here, but I think among Democrats it's fair to say they're disappointed that the campaign hasn't created more momentum," said Blois Olson, a Democratic consultant and co-publisher of the newsletter Politics in Minnesota. "I think there's some naivete about the process."

Rowley's third-quarter fundraising, $80,000 to Kline's $230,000, disappointed many Minnesota Democrats. There's also concern about what some see as an obsession with national security issues in a district that leans Republican.

"She needs to develop some discipline in how she talks, and what she talks about," Olson said.

Rowley supporters point out that the election is more than a year off. "She's just getting going," said Jeanne Thomas, chairwoman of the Democratic Party in fast-growing Scott County, a major suburban base in the 2nd District. "It's hard when you're a first-time candidate."

Rowley is well aware of the criticisms. She said she's been told to cut her often rambling stump speeches, and to stick to two or three campaign themes.

"I, unfortunately, am probably constitutionally incapable of that," said Rowley, who is 50. "And even if I could, I wouldn't want it. It's boring. I think most people don't like that slick, polished politician. I'm not that way anyway, and why should I start now?"

It was a refusal to censor herself that brought Rowley into the spotlight. As the legal counsel in the Minneapolis FBI office in 2001, Rowley was part of efforts by agents there to investigate Zacarias Moussaoui, who was arrested in Minnesota prior to Sept. 11 after he raised suspicions at a local flight school.

Minneapolis agents felt that FBI bureaucrats in Washington impeded the investigation, prompting Rowley a few months after the attacks to write a blistering memo to FBI Director Robert Mueller that laid out the lapses in detail.

Soon Rowley was testifying before the U.S. Senate, and winning acclaim for her refusal to toe the bureau's party line.

Rowley wrote another memo to Mueller a few months later criticizing the intelligence cited by the Bush administration in its decision to invade Iraq. That memo wasn't as well-received by her fellow Minneapolis agents, and Rowley was forced to leave the position of legal counsel in her last few months with the FBI.

Democrats first approached Rowley about running against Kline in 2004, but she passed. She retired at the end of that year, and spent time traveling the country to speak on ethical decision-making, one of her passions.

When Democrats approached her again this year, Rowley decided to go for it. While allowing that her newfound fame is what makes the run for Congress possible, Rowley said she's not pursuing the seat to settle scores.

"I don't see it as anything I did as much as the events themselves," said Rowley, who says she voted for Bush in 2000 and supported Kline in the past. "I think what happened on 9/11 allowed the administration ... to pursue policies of prisoner abuse, violation of civil liberties, the whole Iraq war - things I was concerned about for my whole career."

While unmistakably intelligent and forceful in her views, Rowley sometimes loses audiences with winding speeches that can stray far off-topic. At a recent meeting of a senior citizens group in one Twin Cities suburb, a tangent on civil liberties slid into a lengthy discourse on the Church Committee, a '70s-era group convened to uncover U.S.-backed assassination plots against foreign leaders.

Rowley also has been criticized for not hiring experienced campaign staff, but she said in the next few months she'll bring in a campaign manager with experience in running big-media campaigns. She said she intends to raise about $2 million for the race.

The 2nd District includes suburbs south and west of the Twin Cities, and stretches south into several mostly rural counties. A goal for the Rowley campaign will be to reach out to moderate Republican women in the suburbs, by stressing Kline's close allegiance to the administration and the scandal-plagued House Republican leadership.

"She's so articulate," said Marge Schammel, an Apple Valley retiree who attended a Rowley house party recently, even though she's a Republican.

Schammel supported Kline in the past, but said she's undecided about her vote next year. "I'm going to be watching his record," she said.

Kline has had little to say publicly about Rowley's candidacy. "We are not in campaign mode yet," said Angelyn Shapiro, his spokeswoman.

Many of Rowley's character traits aren't negatives. A mother of four and, recently, a grandmother for the first time, she's down-to-earth, self-deprecating and a weekly churchgoer who still competes in - and often wins - triathlons. An Iowa native with ancestral roots in Minnesota's 2nd District, Rowley still speaks with a pronounced Midwestern honk.

Discounting her outspoken opposition to the war and visceral dislike of the Bush administration, Rowley is a political moderate who describes herself as a deficit hawk and points to her FBI record to prove her mettle on law-and-order issues.

Rowley often jokes about the criticism she got for her somewhat disheveled appearance when she testified before the U.S. Senate. But she seems to have taken such remarks to heart as well - she's since replaced her oversized aviator eyeglasses with a smaller pair, and has adopted a more stylish haircut.

"I think her authentic nature could be a positive," said Olson, the Democratic strategist. "The challenge is communicating that to voters in an effective way." Source: Associated Press, October 30, 2005

|W|P|113071211039536830|W|P|COLEEN ROWLEY IS HER OWN WORST ENEMY|W|P|minnesotademocratsexposed@hotmail.com10/30/2005 07:57:00 PM|W|P|Blogger The Lady Logician|W|P|"An Iowa native with ancestral roots in Minnesota's 2nd District, Rowley still speaks with a pronounced Midwestern honk."

A PRONOUNCED MIDWESTERN HONK??? And they wonder why we think they hate us??????10/31/2005 08:04:00 AM|W|P|Blogger mnsky|W|P|Well as usual you're half of nothing wrong...half off! half baked! half a loaf short!

"She's just getting going," said Jeanne Thomas, chairwoman of the Democratic Party in fast-growing Scott County...

Scott County is growing...but Jeanne Thomas isn't the chair...Hint: Scott County has a chair MAN .10/30/2005 11:52:00 AM|W|P|Minnesota Democrats Exposed|W|P|Even though this blog is called Minnesota Democrats Exposed, I thought these websites would be of interest to my fellow bloggers excited about Scooter Libby. The Clinton Legacy The Official Clinton Stat Board Disclaimer: Don't blame me for the material, I am just passing it along. Don't starting asking me about Vince Foster. |W|P|113070302007172877|W|P|REMEMBER THE CLINTON LEGACY|W|P|minnesotademocratsexposed@hotmail.com10/30/2005 03:06:00 PM|W|P|Blogger StPaul_DFLer|W|P|Proving yet another point of mine. When confronted, Republicans tend to Distort, Distract and Lie.

This a Distraction as Clinton is not in office. The current White House occupier is having problems with felony indictments among his staff and Michael brings this up.

Weak, pathetic attempt. Why not stick with Bush and fight it out?10/30/2005 05:22:00 PM|W|P|Blogger The Lady Logician|W|P|and yet when Dems had the opportunity to "stick with President Clinton and fight it out" they instead decided to bring up Watergate and Iran-Contra....what's the difference?????10/30/2005 07:15:00 PM|W|P|Blogger StPaul_DFLer|W|P|Crimes against the State versus criminal activities outside of that duty.

Democrats fuck-up and tis usually some stupid petty crap.

Republicans do it and it always involve circumventing the Constitution (I guess it becomes too bothersome for their long term viewpoint).

See, the difference?10/31/2005 07:08:00 AM|W|P|Blogger ReaganBlows|W|P|spin, spin, spin, gotta save da Dubya10/31/2005 10:44:00 AM|W|P|Blogger Minnesotah|W|P|The charge against Scooter Libby is perjury. If he is convicted I believe he should do some heavy time.

I am glad MOST Democrats once again recognize perjury as a great evil. Except for StPaulDFLer. For him it depends on whether the accused is a Democrat in a sexual harassment case ("petty crap") or a Republican in a CIA leak case ("circumventing the constitution").10/31/2005 12:18:00 PM|W|P|Blogger StPaul_DFLer|W|P|Hey Minnesotah,
You know you're mot equipped well-enough to debate me so just go back to lurking and learning.

I've spent that last week outlining the Republicans criminal activity on the national and state scene, without going back in time. Here and now, there are more being investigated than you can shake a stick at.

You are free to list the criminal activities that Democrats are being investigated for. Go ahead.

MDE posted this one that is still full of innuendo and conspiracy.

And, if you don't believe there is a difference in the level of gravity between criminal activity and criminal activity against the State- then you are truly in over your head.

Oh yeah- Libby was indicted for Perjury- Clintn was not.11/05/2005 06:19:00 PM|W|P|Blogger Todd Ouellette|W|P|Yeah Clinton was a horrible traitor.

But, when I took evidence of illegal weapon sales to the Chinese over to Bob Dole's office, I couldn't even get a staff stooge to speak w/ me.

GOP Rep. Gil Gutkneckt kept quiet about the China weapons for $$$ scams.

Note to MDE. Both parties suck?
They are both useless.

GOP thought the sperm-stained dress was more important than selling nukes' to China.

Maybe if you actually ever dared to ask a GOP clone to do something good for America you would finally understand the reality.11/05/2005 06:22:00 PM|W|P|Blogger Todd Ouellette|W|P|Hey St. Paul DFLER.
Clinton only avoided a perjury charge because he did what the prosecutor told him to do.

Give up law license, pay fine, admitt perjury etc.

DFL and GOP both suck?
You people are a joke.
You fight over which party is the least useless.
THEY SUCK?10/30/2005 07:24:00 AM|W|P|Minnesota Democrats Exposed|W|P|

Lori Sturdevant: Hatch will find this race a different ballgame

Glaring down at a conference table from a wall in the office of Attorney General Mike Hatch are the faces of his 27 predecessors.

Not one of them went on to be governor.

(Full disclosure must acknowledge that one of them had been governor. J.A.A. Burnquist, the state's athletic young governor during World War I, was its more seasoned attorney general from 1939 through 1955.)

Looking at the last three in that lineup -- Republican Douglas Head and DFLers Warren Spannaus and Hubert H. Humphrey III -- must give Hatch pause. Each tried to make the leap to the governor's office. Each fell short.

Purely happenstance, Hatch might be thinking about the common fate of those gubernatorial wannabes as he starts his own bid for the office across the Capitol hall. The 1970, 1982 and 1998 races for governor were each singular exercises, he might claim.

Well, yes. Each of those races had its own array of the oddities that make Minnesota politics an unpredictable thrill ride for the contestants and a hoot for us commentators.

Still, permit the suggestion that inherent in the work of the second-highest-ranking state elected official are elements that voters don't consider ideal preparation for the top job.

For one thing, attorneys general are attorneys. They sue people.

If they are any good -- and Minnesota has had a string of good ones -- most of the people they bring legal action against have it coming. Litigation by Minnesota's attorneys general through the years has richly served the public interest.

Still, the people being sued tend not to be pleased -- and they have friends who feel likewise. Spannaus, who served as AG from 1971 until he caught gubernatorial fever in 1982, says as much: "You make enemies as attorney general that you don't even know you have. You sue one business, and the next thing you know, they're saying that you're anti-business."

Even if an AG does not accumulate so many enemies that he gets a new first name -- Dump -- on bumper stickers, the nature of the attorney general's work is adversarial. The more eagerly an AG conducts that work, the more he appears to thrive on conflict. (This might be especially true for Hatch, who was already described by this newspaper as "over-zealous" when he was state commerce commissioner and running for governor the first time, in 1990.)

While voters might admire pugnacity in their lawyer, they aren't crazy about it in their governor. In that office, they tend to prefer a consensus-builder. That might be especially true in 2006, after Gov. Tim Pawlenty and the 2004 and 2005 Legislatures took partisan discord to extremes previously unimagined in these parts.

Attorneys general who run for governor also have the awkward transition problem. Their speeches usually begin by touting their protection of consumers from scam artists, predatory lenders and hyper-greedy corporations. Then they have to make a flying, often flailing rhetorical leap to the issues that will confront the state's next governor -- education, transportation, tax fairness, the state's fiscal stability.

It's a whole different list, with one conspicuous common point -- health care. That, for Hatch, is a crucial intersection between the agendas of the AG's and the governor's offices. Talking about securing health care coverage for more Minnesotans not only spares him those awkward transitions. It also speaks to a sore subject for a lot of people, and takes aim at a Republican weakness -- their eagerness in 2003 and 2005 to deny health insurance to the working poor.

Hatch doesn't need to be told that the health care issue is his candidacy's long suit. He launched his campaign at the convention of the Minnesota Nurses Association, and solicited moving testimonials from people he helped get financial satisfaction from balky HMOs, health insurance companies and care providers. He gets it.

That issue, plus the several early-going advantages that a sitting AG has as a gubernatorial candidate -- name recognition, fundraising capacity, political connections -- might, in Hatch's case, outweigh any mismatch between what voters want in an attorney general and in a governor. Two terms in the Capitol's northwest corner office give him automatic standing as a formidable contender for the southwest corner digs.

But Hatch might be well advised to tone down the boasts about lawsuits and bone up on education, transportation and taxes. He no longer needs to convince voters that he has been a good attorney general. He has to assure them that he would make a good governor. Source: Star Tribune, October 30, 2005

|W|P|113068616107038265|W|P|HISTORY NOT KIND TO HATCH FOR GOVERNOR|W|P|minnesotademocratsexposed@hotmail.com10/30/2005 11:02:00 AM|W|P|Blogger StPaul_DFLer|W|P|Ho hum...
Big deal.

Rudy Guiliani was a public attorney before becoming one f the most popular mayors in America.

Right now, Elliot Spitzer, another public attorney is set to unseat the sitting governor over in NY(ironically he seems to be more conservative than the GOP Pataki).

Before Pawlenty, how many House majority leaders went on to become governor? None that I can think of.

Before Jesse, how many Independents were governor? One. You guess.

Before Norm Coleman, the last politician to go from the office of the Mayor to United States Senator was Hubert Humphrey 54 years prior.

Also, there hasn't been a Republican Attorney General for over 40 years. Should Johnson (or Bachmann if you beleive the latest rumors)even try?

This is the Stribs filling in space with boring non-informal dribble.

All odds also pointed to W losing the 2004 race yet, I sit here still smarting from that.

The only trend in politics to focus on is the switch to the blue tie being the power tie over the long run of red.10/30/2005 11:34:00 AM|W|P|Blogger I hate MDE|W|P|This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.10/30/2005 12:54:00 PM|W|P|Blogger Lucy N|W|P|I hate MDE: You are nuts. Get a life.10/30/2005 01:08:00 PM|W|P|Blogger I hate MDE|W|P|This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.10/30/2005 02:18:00 PM|W|P|Blogger The Lady Logician|W|P|MDE - I see your LITTLE friend is still around. Haven't you reported him to his ISP yet? Making terroristic threats is a crime last I heard......10/30/2005 03:10:00 PM|W|P|Blogger StPaul_DFLer|W|P|You've got to report this guy, I know the downside will be that your ID will be exposed, but on a the serious side, your family- and if you are not MB, his family is being threatened.

Or, wait for the asshole to show up and blast. Won't get an argument from this liberal for protecting your family.10/30/2005 05:25:00 PM|W|P|Blogger The Lady Logician|W|P|stpaul_dfler said "This is the Stribs filling in space with boring non-informal dribble. "

No doubt about that.....they are just looking to fill column inches with this....10/28/2005 02:51:00 PM|W|P|Minnesota Democrats Exposed|W|P|Former D.C. Mayor Marion Barry Charged With Failure to File Income Tax Returns, a Misdemeanor Former District of Columbia Mayor Marion Barry was charged Friday with failure to file his income tax returns a misdemeanor charge that could bring a year-and-a-half in prison if he is convicted. Source: Associated Press, October 28, 2005|W|P|113053682756496736|W|P|INDICTED|W|P|minnesotademocratsexposed@hotmail.com10/28/2005 03:05:00 PM|W|P|Blogger Mike S|W|P|Isn't this MINNESOTA Democrats Expossed? I guess you are just trying to provide cover for Libby.10/28/2005 03:43:00 PM|W|P|Blogger Minnesota Democrats Exposed|W|P|I actual did this for that exact reason. I new somebody would get upset. Even though Barry was indicted, you can't10/28/2005 04:57:00 PM|W|P|Blogger StPaul_DFLer|W|P|Good!
He was a crook and an embarassment.

Now lets talk about the SECOND White House employee to be indicted today.
Even on the national scene the Republicans out do the Dems when it comes to indictments.10/29/2005 09:07:00 AM|W|P|Blogger StPaul_DFLer|W|P|So if barry serves his complete time in jail, Scooter Libby will still have 28 years to go.

I promise you that Rove or the premise for War will be the next bombshell.10/29/2005 03:12:00 PM|W|P|Blogger John Jordan.com|W|P|I promise you that Rove or the premise for War will be the next bombshell.

Isn't it a sad commentary on the state of politics when someone is actually rooting for this.10/29/2005 03:38:00 PM|W|P|Blogger StPaul_DFLer|W|P|Rooting for an end to the corruption in our highest office is a sad commentary?

C'mon John, you can spin better than that.

A few years ago, the DFL had a piece telling how the GOP Distort, Distract and Lie.

Distort= She wasn't undercover. Wilson was a liar.
Distract= Its a shame we're rooting for this. The War, The War, Terror, Terror!
Lie= (Soon enough)10/29/2005 04:51:00 PM|W|P|Blogger I hate MDE|W|P|This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.10/29/2005 04:52:00 PM|W|P|Blogger I hate MDE|W|P|This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.10/29/2005 06:55:00 PM|W|P|Blogger John Jordan.com|W|P|Rooting for an end to the corruption in our highest office is a sad commentary?

No, THAT was a good attempt at spin.

You "promise" us that Rove will be the "next bombshell" like you are looking forward to it. Unless you were in the Grand Jury room and have some special insight, you're clearly rooting for it.

Your OPINION is that Rove is "corrupt". Because you don't like him doesn't make it so. That's not spin, that's fact, my friend.

I am all for taking out corruption. If Libby did lie before the Grand Jury, he should be tossed in jail. Same for Rove. But Clinton should be just getting out of the halfway house for doing the exact same thing, too, since he did the same thing and did it on tape.

By the way, I still believe Wilson's nothing but a liar. So does British intelligence.10/29/2005 07:37:00 PM|W|P|Blogger StPaul_DFLer|W|P|When was Clinton indicted for perjury, obstruction of justice or even lying to grand jury?

'Spin' is you comparing Clinton's land deal(Whitewater) investigation- before he was President, to a breach in National Security that could affect the reliablility of the human intelligence we receive. Afterall, if you don't tell certain Bush officials what they want to hear- you can find yourself out of work.

Did you not learn anything through this whole thing? Are you so blindly loyal that you have lost all cognitive ability?

Libby's testimony was not only in direct contradiction of all who he named as witnesses, but to his own notes that were turned in to the Prosecuter. He's a very smart Washington lawyer that's been a major player for a couple of decades. This is not characteristic. Who is he covering for?

You're nothing but a typical shallow daily talking points reader of the GOP. The problem is they give you nothing when challenged?

I've called you to mat to prove your assessment that DFLers are more corrupt than Republicans. You run to another thread. Yet, I have to give proof and you disappear.

You've shat your flawed opinion around this blog like you take Ex-Lax with that Kool-Aid you drink. Here's your chance to shut me up:

Back up your claim that Clinton was indicted for perjury (I won't even make you stretch to explain how that investigation is as serious as this one).
And, post your proof that Wilson is a liar.

If Wilson is a proven liar, explain what has that got to do with this investigation INITIATED by the CIA and signed off by George Tenet- who recieved a medal of freedom from Bush earlier this year.

Balls in your court big mouth.10/29/2005 07:41:00 PM|W|P|Blogger StPaul_DFLer|W|P|Rove FACTS:

ORIGINALLY DENIED ANY INVOLVMENT IN THE LEAK: Asked on 9/29/03 whether he had “any knowledge” of the leak or whether he leaked the name of the CIA agent, Rove answered “no.” That same day, White House Press Secretary Scott McClellan, after having “spoken to Karl,” asserted that “it is a ridiculous suggestion” to say Rove was involved in the leak. In August 2004, Rove maintained, “I didn’t know her name and didn’t leak her name.” [ABC News, 9/29/03; White House Press Briefing, 9/29/03; RawStory; Newsweek, 7/11/05]

ROVE SPOKE WITH TIME REPORTER MATT COOPER: In a conversation with Time reporter Matt Cooper — a conversation that Rove insisted be kept on “deep background” — Rove instructed Cooper, “Don’t get too far out on Wilson.” Rove then identified Valerie Plame as “Wilson’s wife” who “works at the agency on wmd [weapons of mass destruction].” According to Cooper, his conversation with Karl Rove was the first time he had heard anything about Wilson’s wife. Additionally, Rove told Cooper that further information discrediting Wilson and his findings would soon be declassified and ended the phone conversation by saying “I’ve already said too much.” [Time, 7/25/05]

ROVE SPOKE WITH COLUMNIST ROBERT NOVAK: A week prior to publishing his column which outed undercover CIA agent Valerie Plame, Robert Novak spoke with Karl Rove. In the 7/8/03 conversation with Rove, Novak brought up Plame’s role at the CIA, and Rove confirmed for the reporter that Plame worked at the CIA: “I heard that too,” said Rove. [NYT, 7/15/05]

ROVE TESTIFIED FOUR TIMES BEFORE THE GRAND JURY: Karl Rove appeared before a federal grand jury for a fourth and most likely last time on October 14, 2005. In his previous testimony to the grand jury, Karl Rove reportedly admitted “that he circulated and discussed damaging information regarding [Plame] with others in the White House, outside political consultants, and journalists” and “is said to have named at least six other administration officials” who were involved. From Rove’s description of the administration’s efforts, sources characterized the actions as “an aggressive campaign to discredit Wilson through the leaking and disseminating of derogatory information regarding him and his wife to the press, utilizing proxies such as conservative interest groups and the Republican National Committee to achieve those ends, and distributing talking points to allies of the administration on Capitol Hill and elsewhere.” [American Prospect, 3/8/04; Newsweek, 7/11/05; Reuters, 10/14/05]

ROVE DEFENSE TEAM ANTICIPATES CHARGES; ROVE PLANS TO RESIGN IF INDICTED: “Rove’s defense team asserts that President Bush’s deputy chief of staff has not committed a crime but nevertheless anticipates that special prosecutor Patrick J. Fitzgerald could find a way to bring charges in the next two weeks.” “Bush senior adviser Rove and others at the White House had concluded that if indicted he would immediately resign or possibly go on unpaid leave, several legal and Administration sources familiar with the thinking told Time.” [Washington Post, 10/15/05; Time, 10/24/05]

ROVE WAS REPORTEDLY ADMONISHED BY BUSH FOR LEAKING: “An angry President Bush rebuked chief political guru Karl Rove two years ago for his role in the Valerie Plame affair, sources told the Daily News. ‘He made his displeasure known to Karl,’ a presidential counselor told The News. ‘He made his life miserable about this.’” [NY Daily News, 10/19/05]

MEMBER OF THE WHITE HOUSE IRAQ GROUP: Rove was a regular participant in the weekly meetings of the Bush Administration’s White House Iraq Group. The main purpose of the group was the systematic coordination of the “marketing” of going to war with Iraq as well as selling the war here at home. One clear example of this fact is that “the escalation of nuclear rhetoric” during the pre-war stage, “including the introduction of the term ‘mushroom cloud’ into the debate, coincided with the formation” of WHIG. The group included the other individual who has been confirmed as a leaker, Lewis Libby. [Washington Post, 8/10/03]

Still waiting for that Clinton info Jordan.10/29/2005 08:40:00 PM|W|P|Blogger I hate MDE|W|P|This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.10/29/2005 08:43:00 PM|W|P|Blogger I hate MDE|W|P|This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.10/30/2005 04:30:00 AM|W|P|Blogger John Jordan.com|W|P|Nice try, my friend. Clinton lied under oath, was IMPEACHED, was disbarred and has paid hundreds of thousands of dollars in settlements. I guess those don't matter.

Balls in your court big mouth.

You're nothing but another anonymous Sean. Throw out a bunch of bumpersticker accusations and then call your opponent names. Why is it that democrats have to do that? No, really. I don't call you names but you find yourself doing it all the time.

You've posted a lot of assumptions on Rove but, to date, none have been proven to be more than that. Because you can type a lot of words doesn't make any of them true.

As to "shutting you up", there's nothing I could possibly say that would do that. You're hell-bent on believing the worst about Republicans no matter the facts. You've got such a shallow, bitter view of us that it's going to take a life-altering experience before you will ever allow yourself to see anything other than your own strange view of the world.

In the end, you're unworthy of the attempt.10/30/2005 05:23:00 AM|W|P|Blogger StPaul_DFLer|W|P|True Republican.
No facts to turn to so turn on the messenger adn discredit them. You have learned well John.

By the way- those aren't accusation on Rove, them be facts my man. Its the reason he remains under investigation.

He leaked, the question is was it illegal and did he commit perjury to cover it up?
He probably told the truth about it to the Prosecutor, so he's not indicted. Yet.

Clinton was never indicted.

Say what you want, but whatever he was charged with it came out to a misdemeanor and not a High Crime. Treason is a high crime. Libby the Liar is charged with a FEW felonies.

Again, I give facts and even cite my research, you come back with rhetoric. Defend your man, John. Tell me why he is not corrupt, and I'll go back from Friday to 30 years ago at the Dirty Tricks Rove has perfected. That's right as an RNC aide to Bush sr, he was there when Nixon's dirty tricks started coming out.

So this is yet another thread you can't back up your garbage.

I don't know who Sean was, but he apparently got bored of kicking your ass on here and left.

See you after church.10/30/2005 06:23:00 AM|W|P|Blogger StPaul_DFLer|W|P|Current Republican corruption include:
Libby being indicted
WHite House Cheif of Procurments (contracts) led away in handcuffs- indicted
Majority Leader in the Senate- under investigation for illegal trading
Majority Leader in the House- indicted for several counts
White House Deputy Cheif of Staff- under investigation
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Those are just the office holders at the top in the WHite House, Seante and House. There are dozens and dozens across the nation in local offices that have been charged with everything from child molestation to murder conspiracy. All within the last year. I won't even talk about your former House mate that was a known sex offender who settled out of court.

It seems if you just give lip service to the mantra of the Right, you'll be rewarded, but as you, Mr Jordan, found out, the chickens will come home to roost and people will reject that lack of substance.

You still want to talk about indictments? Or, will your next post try to turn things around on me? Or, will you just crawl back in your hole until the next set of speaking points come out from the GOP?

Now, I'm off to church.10/30/2005 09:32:00 AM|W|P|Blogger Swiftee|W|P|SP_Dink wrote:

"Vainglory...vindictivness...abuse...lie...hatred..lie...schadenfreude...lie..vanity..spew...empty threat...fabrication..schadenfreude!"

"Now, I'm off to church."

Priceless!

I hereby nominate SP_Dink for DFLer of the month.10/30/2005 10:12:00 AM|W|P|Blogger StPaul_DFLer|W|P|Thank you Swiftless.
What must I do to win that annual distinction?10/30/2005 10:49:00 AM|W|P|Blogger StPaul_DFLer|W|P|Back to indictments.
Any of repubs want to answer them or show where Dems are as or more corrupt?

Or do you want to do what tomiie swiftless and the repubs do best, run from content and substance and attack the messenger of bad news?10/30/2005 11:35:00 AM|W|P|Blogger I hate MDE|W|P|admit you are michael brodkorb and i will stop posting your home address and directions to your home

dflblog.com and lloydletta.blogspot.com should be time's "bloggers of the year"10/30/2005 12:48:00 PM|W|P|Blogger Swiftee|W|P|"What must I do to win that annual distinction?"

Just continue to be the spunk recepticle that you are.10/30/2005 02:40:00 PM|W|P|Blogger The Lady Logician|W|P|stpaul_dfler.....The Senate looked into the whole Joe Wilson thing and THEIR REPORT came out and said that he lied in his report re:his trip to Niger. On Page 49 (of 521 found here http://intelligence.senate.gov/iraqreport2.pdf) the Senate report states AS FACT that Mr. Wilson was recommended for this trip by his wife who worked for the CIA something he has categorically denied. Page 50 talks about a meeting on 2/19/2002 where "CPD hosted a meeting with the former ambassador...the purpose of the meeting was to discuss the merits of the former ambassador going to Niger...AN ANALYST'S NOTES INDICATE THAT THE MEETING WAS APPARENTLY CONVENED BY THE FORMER AMBASSADOR'S WIFE WHO HAD THE IDEA TO DISPATCH HIM....."

If you want to talk about lies and the lying liars who tell them, let's not forget the media's darling, Joe Wilson....10/30/2005 03:16:00 PM|W|P|Blogger StPaul_DFLer|W|P|So are you admitting tha the White House over-reacted to discredit a liar?

Why not just discredit his findings?
Why go after his family?

Ironic you can defend the WH in this case but yet see the dirty and dangerous effects of these tactics when "i hate mde" brings in Michael Brodkorbs family and personal info into the public forum.

Rather MB/MDE is a liar or a Saint, his arguments are here for us to debate and debase(for me). Why couldn't the WH do the same over Joe's findings?10/30/2005 04:24:00 PM|W|P|Blogger The Lady Logician|W|P|MORE refutation of Joe Wilson's public statements (from the SSCI report):

[the former ambassador's] intelligence report indicated that former Nigerien Prime Minister Ibrahim Mayaki was unaware of any contracts that had been signed between Niger and any rogue states for the sale of yellowcake while he was Prime Minister (1997-1999) or Foreign Minister (1996-1997). Mayaki said that if there had been any such contract during his tenure, he would have been aware of it. Mayaki said, however, that in June 1999,(REDACTED) businessman, approached him and insisted that Mayaki meet with an Iraqi delegation to discuss "expanding commercial relations" between Niger and Iraq. The intelligence report said that Mayaki interpreted "expanding commercial relations" to mean that the delegation wanted to discuss uranium yellowcake sales. The intelligence report also said that "although the meeting took place, Mayaki let the matter drop due to the UN sanctions on Iraq."

Yeah - I know....it is sad that I have nothing "better" to do on a Sunday afternoon...but I got bored watching the football game and I shipped the rest of the family off for some quality "me" time.....10/30/2005 04:28:00 PM|W|P|Blogger The Lady Logician|W|P|The did just discredit his findings....then when Mr. Wilson lied about WHO sent him to Niger he ended up dragging HIS OWN WIFE into the mess. If he had not lied about who sent him he would not be in this mess....

As far as MDE's little friend vs bringing Joe Wilson's wife up in this little spat....no one is stalking Valerie Plame....however, it is obvious that I Hate MDE is stalking Michael Brodkorb. There IS a legal difference, especially when Fitzpatrick could not find evidence to indict anyone on the "outing" charges where there is plenty of stalking evidence right here on this blog.....10/30/2005 05:11:00 PM|W|P|Blogger StPaul_DFLer|W|P|OK LL. I see we are going to dance this dance.

Another question:
Why does MDE find it necessary to point out that Hatch had a fundraisers at Alary's? A cop bar, where during the WInter Carnival some waitresses got sexually assaulted by Vulcans? MDE also felt the need to post some of the scantily dressed lasses on the site. Why? To give the image that Mike Hatch is somehow sleezy or immoral.
Yet...
The Sixth District Republican Caucus is having a convention at the Mermaid Bar in Moundsview. Is there a bigger meat market in the north burbs? Yes- but not many. Mermaids, known for X busts and plenty of wet t-shirt contests. Thi is the place that the candidates will try to out family values the next?

Classic.10/30/2005 05:19:00 PM|W|P|Blogger Minnesota Democrats Exposed|W|P|I think Mike Hatch is sleezy for hosting a fundraiser at Alary's.

It was just wrong. Let's see if Hatch does it again.10/30/2005 05:28:00 PM|W|P|Blogger The Lady Logician|W|P|For someone who belongs to a political party that is supposedly AGAINST the exploitation of women to hold a fundraiser in an establishment that does just that is hypocritical at the very best Stpaul.... It's called walking the walk.10/30/2005 05:30:00 PM|W|P|Blogger The Lady Logician|W|P|This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.10/30/2005 05:31:00 PM|W|P|Blogger The Lady Logician|W|P|This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.10/30/2005 07:41:00 PM|W|P|Blogger StPaul_DFLer|W|P|Alary's doesn't treat thier women employees bad at all. It was the patrons that day- who by the way are Republicans who overtly support Pawlenty, Coleman and Mayor Kelly. Check out where the sex offender gives money.

Also, check out the attorneys who are representing the women, you may reconize his name as one who is from a very DFL family. Then look at the name of the attorney for Mr Sex Offender. Then cross reference his name with some of those campaigns of the above mentioned pols.

Again, Alary's is a cop bar where our finest hangout- and yours truly.

Mermaids is a meat market that hosts the best wet t-shirt contests in the Twin Cities.


Hatch is one democrat that you say held a fundraiser there- though I'm sure the women dressed different (the pix displayed are net pix fromtheir site) for the event.

The 6thCD is hosting their entire line-up of candidates, with visits from every statewide elected Republican showing up too.

I know it doesn't matter. Nobody has to enter a wet t-shirt contest unless they want, and the busts for X (which they had to shut down twice for) and underage drinking is just how the ball rolls. Afterall, the owners of mermaids give money to the GOP, so all the family values crap the Bachmans and other GOPers yelp about is not an issue with this place.10/28/2005 08:44:00 AM|W|P|Minnesota Democrats Exposed|W|P|Mike Hatch has enlisted the help of his wife Patti to try to distract Minnesotans from Hatch's negative attacks: "Mike [Hatch] is proud to stand with these individuals and groups as we prepare for what will be a barrage of negative attacks these upcoming months ahead. The Republicans have already launched their negative attacks -- instead of focusing on the issues Minnesotans care about, they would rather divide and distract us from discussing what really matters. Mike is here to talk about a new agenda for Minnesota and I ask that you join him in this cause. Together we can make a difference." Source: Mike Hatch for Governor email, October 27, 2005, signed by Patti Hatch. Hatch will try to pretend he is running a postive campaign, but Hatch has launched his own attacks on Governor Tim Pawlenty. "He [Hatch] took several swipes at Republican Gov. Tim Pawlenty's stewardship of the state." Source: Associated Press, October 28, 2005 "In his letter, Hatch blamed Republican Gov. Tim Pawlenty for a 'humiliating government shutdown this year,' referring to the eight-day budget impasse with the Legislature in early July. 'I look forward to working with you and restoring our pride in this great state,' he wrote." Source: Pioneer Press, October 28, 2005 Hatch's announcement speech was filled with negative attacks: "Simply put, we now have an administration that masquerades as 'Minnesota nice' but whose policies are particularly cruel to the sick, the vulnerable and the impoverished. We have an administration that strangles public institutions into a state of perpetual fiscal crisis, while they seek to subsidize private enterprise with tax cuts, subsidies and loopholes. We have an administration that says it hasn't raised taxes but raises 'fees' to the tune of $2 billion, property taxes to the tune of $2 billion, and has raided funds like the tobacco endowment.

Indeed, this administration has refused to close a several hundred million dollar tax loophole for foreign owned corporations, while attempting to strip thousands of Minnesotans of their health care coverage.

This is an administration that claims to be 'value-based,' yet attempts to expand gambling."

"Minnesotans are fed up with political gimmicks and rudderless leadership that shortchanges our future. They are tired of leaders who place pledges to special interest groups ahead of our common interests as Minnesotans.

This is an administration that has allowed industrial polluters to set their own mercury emission standards."

|W|P|113051681346805008|W|P|HATCH TRYING TO HIDE HIS NEGATIVE ATTACKS|W|P|minnesotademocratsexposed@hotmail.com10/28/2005 12:06:00 PM|W|P|Blogger The Lady Logician|W|P|I hate to say this, because I really dislike the politics of personal destruction, but we need to set aside, once and for all, the fallicy that no one likes negative campaigning. If that were really true, we would still not be suffering through cycle after cycle of negative comments and advertisments....10/28/2005 01:19:00 PM|W|P|Blogger StPaul_DFLer|W|P|Lady_Logician,
If what you say is how you feel, then you should probably go to another blog. You will be greatly disappointed here.

The whole premise of MDE is for personal destruction one DFLer at a time.10/29/2005 02:20:00 PM|W|P|Blogger The Lady Logician|W|P|So pointing out inconsistencies in a candidates voting record is "personal destruction"? How about pointing out that the candidates words and actions don't match....do you call that a "personal attack"?

That is one problem I have with the DFL. A Republican runs and ad that says "my opponent said he was going to do this and he did the opposite" and the DFL screams attack ads and yet they turn around and run ads that are patently false about the other candidates (Republican, Green, Independent or whatever). As long as the Dems have people spewing things like "Republicans have never worked an honest day in their lives." you can EXPECT to be treated in kind......10/29/2005 03:50:00 PM|W|P|Blogger StPaul_DFLer|W|P|Name one ad by the DFL that is an example of what you're talking about and I'll shut up for the rest of this thread.

For an example of what I'm talking about, just look to the right of your post and see what's listed under Attorney General Mike Hatch. Anything about his cases that you disagree with? Rulings? No. Lots of innuendo, assigning of intent and far fetched dot connecting.

Nothing on his record. So where's your outrage for this?

I say bring it on, rare is the Republican that an stand an in-kind return of fire. That I know from experience.

I'll give you an example: The current White House. When people appointed by this White House came out to stand against their DECISION, not them but their DECSIONS, they were personally attacked and discredited. Joe Wilson, Richard Clarke and fmr Sec Tres. Paul O' Neil all wrote books documenting this. There are about a dozen generals too who haven't written a book, but have come out against some of the decisions that are being made. All of them smeared by the White house.10/29/2005 05:37:00 PM|W|P|Blogger The Lady Logician|W|P|St_Paul - here is a grand example of what I am talking about.....

http://www.knoxstudio.com/shns/story.cfm?pk=SAMBOBLOG-10-27-05&cat=WW

What part of calling a black man "Sambo" do you find to be ok? And where do you find MDE doing something like this?????10/29/2005 07:55:00 PM|W|P|Blogger StPaul_DFLer|W|P|Hold on LL. You said:
"A Republican runs and ad that says "my opponent said he was going to do this and he did the opposite" and the DFL screams attack ads and yet they turn around and run ads that are patently false about the other candidates (Republican, Green, Independent or whatever)."

This was a blogger who ran that, not the Democratic candidate. When it was discovered, he pulled the ad immediatly.

More from that article:
Virginia's Democratic gubernatorial candidate pulled campaign ads from a bloggers' Web site Thursday because the blogger had derided a black Republican candidate in Maryland as "Sambo."

The campaign of Virginia Lt. Gov. Tim Kaine ordered the campaign ads pulled after it became aware of the Web site's attack against Maryland Lt. Gov. Michael Steele, who announced for the Senate earlier this week.
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So, I thank you for pointing out that the Democrat did the right thing. I only wish the Republicans would have done that right thing when they were running down to Bob Jones University who have some policy related racist and supremist viewpoints about race and religion (catholics and jews). I take that back, Alan Keyes went there and called them to the mat on all of their crap. He got about 3% of the vote.
And- what about Tony Perkins of the Family Institute or something like that. he's a spokesperson for the right that when he ran for Congress in Louisiana, begged and paid David Duke(Republican) for his private donors list which included many white supremists. Or how about the South Carolina tactics of the Bush supporters that insinuated that McCain had an illegitamite black child and disstibuted photos. No one bothered to clarify that that child was his adopted child from Bangladash who happened to be very dark. I beleive she was an orphan that had problems with a clepf foot and other things.

No your example showed that the Democrats will do the right thing when their supporters overtly go overboard. My three examples are further proof of why the GOP still are at the low end of the leaarning curve.10/29/2005 07:58:00 PM|W|P|Blogger StPaul_DFLer|W|P|Being from Chicago LL, I give you enough credit to see this. I do forgive you for being a Northsider and will credit your bend to the Right with that.10/30/2005 10:03:00 AM|W|P|Blogger The Lady Logician|W|P|stpaul_dfler said...
This was a blogger who ran that, not the Democratic candidate. When it was discovered, he pulled the ad immediatly.

True a blogger was the one that did that....NOW how would you have reacted if our friend MDE had done that?????? Would you have been totally OUTRAGED and demanding an apology or would you be making excuses that he is "only a blogger"????? Yes the candidate DID do the right thing by pulling his ad and he is taking HOLY CRAP from his base for doing so!!!! Where is YOUR outrage over that....

Bottom line is, we all have our agendas and biases. To pillory one side for engaging in their agendas and biases while ignoring the ones on your side is hypocritic and disingenuous.10/30/2005 10:08:00 AM|W|P|Blogger The Lady Logician|W|P|StPaul_DFLer said...
Being from Chicago LL, I give you enough credit to see this. I do forgive you for being a Northsider and will credit your bend to the Right with that.

Hehe...you too? No wonder the native MN's rag on us so much....we seem to be taking over the place....

All that aside, I would much rather live here in the Cities than I would in Chicago. It's too built up....when "the city" runs from the lake on the east to Rockford on the west it has gotten too big for me......I like my trees (except this time of year when I have to rake leaves for days on end....)10/30/2005 10:10:00 AM|W|P|Blogger StPaul_DFLer|W|P|Ummm, OK, but I thought we were talking about what Dems and Repubs do? Not what if's.

Here's the historical truth:
Politics in America has never been jsut about the issues, its always been about the personality and posturing. I can show some nasty examples going back to pre the Constitution when we were a republic under the Articles of Confederation.

Your side can't do it, and neither can mine. All we can do is keep the personal stuff to an ever changing minimun and project your candidates credentials and likability.

That's going to be it for the week in my non-partisan commentary.10/30/2005 02:47:00 PM|W|P|Blogger The Lady Logician|W|P|stpaul_dfler said...
"Your side can't do it, and neither can mine. All we can do is keep the personal stuff to an ever changing minimun and project your candidates credentials and likability."

GIVE THAT MAN A CIGAR!!!! You are absolutely correct in that it is something that neither side can stop doing! It is therefore (as I said before) disingenuous to try to claim that only one side or the other does it and it is hypocritic to slam one side for doing it while ignoring it while your guy does the same thing....

Who knows, maybe you're a closet Republican ;-)

Glad to see that Reps and Dems can agree on something.....10/30/2005 03:28:00 PM|W|P|Blogger StPaul_DFLer|W|P|Hypocitical is one description, but I think its become such a mainstay that its also called played politics.
Two examples:

1. NOW standing behind Clinton after he clearly has been less than respectful to some women and his marriage.

2. Some on the Right trying to downplay the gravity of perjury and obstruction of justice now, when seven years ago, the same voices thought it was a very serious crime.

So, will I go on and slam some republicans who will in the next week try to downplay these charges, even though I worked to change the dialogue seven years ago?
Yes.
I expect you to do the same.

This type of politics is still effective for rallying your base.

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On me being a Republican. I agree on a few things:

1. Strong National Defense and no limit on costs when protecting the nation and citizens(money- not Constitutional Rights).
2. Immigration reform.
3. Golf courses- the ones at the private clubs.
4. Party loyalty. They keep their troops in line better than anyone.

The list is 100 items long of why I am a Democrat.10/30/2005 05:46:00 PM|W|P|Blogger The Lady Logician|W|P|You asked about candidates sliming one another....remember when Senator Edwards felt the necessity to "out" Vice President Cheney's daughter? And yet when the VP and his family (and indignant Republicans everywhere) screamed in outrage, the Kerry/Edwards campaign said that she was "fair" game......10/30/2005 05:50:00 PM|W|P|Blogger The Lady Logician|W|P|stpaul_dfler said "So, will I go on and slam some republicans who will in the next week try to downplay these charges, even though I worked to change the dialogue seven years ago?
Yes.
I expect you to do the same."

Were you one of the few who said that President Clinton should have been punished for his perjury 7 years ago? Or were you one of the ones excusing it by saying "it was just about sex"?????

My feelings about it then are the same as they are now....if he lied in sworn testimony he deserves to go to jail. Can you honestly say the same?????

And I have several thousand reasons why I am a FORMER Democrat......10/30/2005 06:36:00 PM|W|P|Blogger The Lady Logician|W|P|OK - I realize that Doug Grow is NOT a politician, but then again neither is Ron Carey and for Mr. Grow to bring Mr. Carey's AUTISTIC CHILD into a political discussion is beyond the pale, wouldn't you agree StPaul?????

http://www.startribune.com/stories/465/5696399.html10/30/2005 08:04:00 PM|W|P|Blogger StPaul_DFLer|W|P|No, I disagree on both points.

The Republicans have set a bar for themselves that Democrats have not. They want a public standard set for morality, public spending and such.

They enjoy the support and money from groups who are very overtly anti-gay, yet in their private lives, live under the protections and choice freedoms the Democrats have delivered. It's what makes Mary Cheney comfortable enough to be out (she wasn't outed, she was an active lesbian).
'Outing' would be exposing California Congressman David Drier. We all know its the real reason the he wasn't allowed to take Delay's place when he had to step down.

Except, once again, Alan Keyes. He dis-owned his daughter last year when she came out of the closet.
The guy is nuts, but consistent.

Grow's column points out the hypocrisy. You, Let's review Grow's column:

Take the case of Ron Carey, who became chairman of the Republican Party of Minnesota in June because many party activists feared that Gov. Tim (No New Taxes) Pawlenty was becoming too big a spender.

Philosophically, Carey is very conservative on the issue of government spending.

But then there's life.

Stories in the Star Tribune last week about controversies surrounding the Minnesota Autism Center show that Carey's family has benefited mightily from an organization that receives about 70 percent of its funding from public sources.

Carey, who has an autistic child, is chairman of the board of the center, which has had success, especially in working with very young autistic children.

His son, now 8, currently receives only six to 10 hours a week of publicly funded therapy a week. But the therapy was much more intensive a few years ago, Carey said. Documents show that the cost of the intensive therapy runs to more than $100,000 per year, per child.

...Isn't there a conflict between Carey, the leader of a party so resistant to government spending, and Carey, the parent of a child who benefits from public spending?

"There's research that shows this program is very effective," Carey said. "Kids are being helped to become indistinguishable from the rest of the society. These kids can grow up to be independent, tax-paying citizens. As a fiscal conservative, I can argue that a dollar spent on this saves $10 down the line."

That is the same argument made by many people who defend a wide spectrum of public spending.
---Exactly the same argument----
Carey says spending on such programs as those offered by the Minnesota Autism Center define the whole notion of "compassionate conservatism."

"Government by nature is not bad," Carey said. "It's abuse that's bad. It's waste that's bad."

Carey said that having an autistic child "has made me a better person. But it hasn't changed me from being a conservative Republican."

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When Jim Jeffords of Vermont left the GOP, mainly over this EXACT kind of funding as he has a special needs child too, you guys blasted his ass non-stop. Rush Limbaugh's fat ass still does. Of course he has no children and several wives- another story.

Honey, you're only making my point for me. Thank you kindly.10/28/2005 06:29:00 AM|W|P|Minnesota Democrats Exposed|W|P|According to Mike S., Hatch's endorsement list may have one name too many. "I got word from at least one person on Hatch's list that is not actually supporting him. Makes me wonder how many more there are like that. Also, 4 years ago, Lourey received quite a bit of support from the range and the rest of the 8th CD."|W|P|113050709869175848|W|P|DOES HATCH'S ENDORSEMENT LIST HAVE ONE NAME TOO MANY?|W|P|minnesotademocratsexposed@hotmail.com10/28/2005 07:21:00 AM|W|P|Blogger Jessica|W|P|Who is Wendy Anderson? Is Wendy a nickname that I had not heard?10/28/2005 07:35:00 AM|W|P|Blogger John Jordan.com|W|P|Who is Wendy Anderson?

Wendall Anderson - former MN Governor.10/28/2005 07:52:00 AM|W|P|Blogger StPaul_DFLer|W|P|Wendell Anderson was the Governor when Minnesota was the beacon of the nation in schools, jobs and crime-free clean cities. It was featured on the cover of TIME magazine with the caption "The Good Life".
In his second term, Watergate had just happened and the House was left with about 15 republicans total(67 today), and they were in the minority in the Senate too. The DFL also won four of the five constitutional offices. Times were good. We had two DFL senators in Washington and one in the White House (Mondale).

Then one day Hubert Humphrey died. Wendy, full of hubris, made a decision on that day to step down from being governor, the Lt Governor would be sworn in of course as Governor. Now with the death of a US Senator, there is no special election, so the Governor appoints a Senator. To whom do you think this appointment went? Yep Wendy.

People of Minnesota rightly called bullshit and the DFL paid dearly. That year brought us Rudy Boshwitz and Steve Sviggum and almost every leadership post the DFL held. The only bright light was the Speaker Sabo won a seat to Congress.

Wendy Anderson, DFL killer.10/28/2005 08:32:00 AM|W|P|Blogger Minnesota Democrats Exposed|W|P|Today's history lesson has been brought to you by St. Paul DFLer, made possible by a grant from the Chubb Foundation.10/28/2005 09:33:00 AM|W|P|Blogger StPaul_DFLer|W|P|CHubb? I know I'll regret this, but what is the 'Chubb foundation'?

I'm 6'2" and 210, nowhere near being your typical fat-assed American.10/28/2005 09:41:00 AM|W|P|Blogger Jessica|W|P|I had never heard Wendy used as his nickname. It seems a bit odd that Hatch did not use his full name.10/28/2005 09:46:00 AM|W|P|Blogger Minnesota Democrats Exposed|W|P|Chubb Foundation is the actual name of a foundation which provides education grants.

Since I don't know who you are it was not in reference to you physical characteristics.10/28/2005 10:01:00 AM|W|P|Blogger Swiftee|W|P|"I'm 6'2" and 210, nowhere near being your typical fat-assed American."

LOL!

Right, the dink is 6'2" while standing in his clown shoes and weighs 210# when you include his backpack full of toys, candy and NAMBLA flyers.10/28/2005 10:29:00 AM|W|P|Blogger StPaul_DFLer|W|P|Oh- I stand corrected MDE.
Thanks for the info, the more you know...

tommie swiftless, thanks for continuing to prove your worth(lessness).10/28/2005 11:37:00 AM|W|P|Blogger John Jordan.com|W|P|I'm 6'2" and 210, nowhere near being your typical fat-assed American.

Hey, we fat-a**ed Americans resent being labled as "typical". :)

And for us, it's the Chubby Foundation.10/28/2005 11:38:00 AM|W|P|Blogger John Jordan.com|W|P|Whoops - it should be labeled.10/28/2005 04:21:00 PM|W|P|Blogger Politically Wise|W|P|While Lourey may have received a lot of Range support 4 years ago, she won't this time. Since she isn't in, I am 99% sure that Doran, yes, Doran, will get the Range support, I think he may already have it. Including a possible range legislator from the Range (Either Janezich or Rukavina, my bets on JJ)10/28/2005 05:00:00 PM|W|P|Blogger StPaul_DFLer|W|P|I wrote elsewhere that its been confirmed that Jerry Janezich wa asked and is considering it.
Not a bad choice since Jerry was the DFL endorsed candidate for US Senate in 2000. He also represented part of the Range in the Senate, House and County Commission for the previous 20 years.10/27/2005 10:48:00 AM|W|P|Minnesota Democrats Exposed|W|P|

ST. PAUL (AP) A fast-growing union is lining up behind D-F-L Attorney General Mike Hatch, the newest entrant in the 2006 Minnesota governor's race.

Just days after Hatch officially entered the race, the Service Employees International Union has endorsed him. The 28-thousand member union says Hatch best matches the organization's views on health care.

Hatch has already collected the backing of unions for nurses and steelworkers as he seeks his party's nomination to take on Governor Pawlenty next fall.

In the 2002 governor's race, S-E-I-U waited withheld its endorsement until a few months before the election. Source: Associated Press, October 27, 2005

|W|P|113043554970978210|W|P|BREAKING NEWS: HATCH ENDORSED BY SEIU|W|P|minnesotademocratsexposed@hotmail.com10/27/2005 12:20:00 PM|W|P|Blogger StPaul_DFLer|W|P|The only news here is that the more progressive candidate Becky Lourey wasn't even given a shot.

Lining the endorsements up early may be way that Hatch is going to get teh DFL base behind him early going into the convention. Smart move.10/27/2005 02:39:00 PM|W|P|Blogger Swiftee|W|P|Hey Stpaul_Dink! I was in Chicago yesterday, so I missed your invite.

E-mail me tjswift@yahoo.com for directions.10/27/2005 03:40:00 PM|W|P|Blogger Politically Wise|W|P|The problem is, no one except Hatch got a shot. Want to knoe how I know, I called both the Kelley and the Doran campaigns to ask about all the Hatch endorsments. Both said that they were not given the opportunity to "show their stuff" to those unions.

It will be interesting though for Doran because I am almost positive an announcement will be comeing within the next week and a half or so that the large majority of Iron Range legislators will endorse Doran...How does that look for the Hatch campaign?10/27/2005 05:01:00 PM|W|P|Blogger stp_283|W|P|If the iron rangers are supporting anyone, it's gonna be Lowrey - hatch's connections don't go any deeper than he has already shown. but why doran?10/27/2005 05:12:00 PM|W|P|Blogger I hate MDE|W|P|This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.10/27/2005 05:46:00 PM|W|P|Blogger StPaul_DFLer|W|P|Iron Range reps have been behind Doran for a while. Lourey doesn't vote their way and may threaten their way of life. She is from the Hinckley area- not the Range.

Hatch was from Duluth. Enough said.

Doran is rumored to be running with former state senator Janezich. Iron Range legislators Solberg, Tommasoni, Sertich, Rukavina and Dill are already on Board with him behind the scenes.
Doesn't matter that the Steelworkers endorsed Hatch.10/27/2005 09:30:00 PM|W|P|Blogger knm1773|W|P|Hate to break it to you...but Solberg, Rukavina, Dill, and Sertich are all supporting Hatch. Chek out his website and endorsement page which lists the legislators supporting him.. The only legislators from the range not supporting him at the moment are Tommassoni and Bakk.10/27/2005 09:47:00 PM|W|P|Blogger Mike S|W|P|I got word from at least one person on Hatch's list that is not actually supporting him. Makes me wonder how many more there are like that.

Also, 4 years ago, Lourey received quite a bit of support from the range and the rest of the 8th CD.10/27/2005 09:50:00 PM|W|P|Blogger Da Polga|W|P|I really don't like how the unions operate their endorsements. They rarely give all candiates a chance even to speak their minds, and it seems as though they have already made up their minds far before the announcements anyway. It is happening in every major race.10/28/2005 05:59:00 AM|W|P|Blogger John Jordan.com|W|P|They rarely give all candiates a chance even to speak their minds, and it seems as though they have already made up their minds far before the announcements anyway.

That is an accurate statement.10/28/2005 08:01:00 AM|W|P|Blogger StPaul_DFLer|W|P|I'll have a lot harder time proving why its not true than you would proving it so.

Why is it so?

Unions have set criteria which they believe are supportive of their membership. Most people who run for office will have a record- or a party with a record (though many many republicans get union endorsements). The union screening committee can look at the profile of the candidate and then decide what to do with that.

A lot politicians have close and set relationships with unions, and when they make a move its only a formality for endorsement because they've been good for their interest all along.

Everything i'm saying abut unions, goes for the chambers of commerce too.

Speaking your heart and mind sounds good, but by a certain time you have a record or perceived party views to connect or disconnect yourself from.

Lately, unions have also gotten their tails kicked under republican rule and will probably jump at the first chance they get to endorse a candidate that looks like they can beat Pawlenty or Kennedy for Senate.

The more MDE and republican voices yelp over Hatch, the stronger case you build for him that he's the one to beat.

Ask Randy Kelly here in Saint Paul about that.10/27/2005 10:39:00 AM|W|P|Minnesota Democrats Exposed|W|P|Thanks to another dedicated reader of Minnesota Democrats Exposed, Inside Source, my post on Kelly Doran's billboards just got more interesting: "I called the Campaign Finance Board regarding the Doran billboards. While he was relunctant to give an 'official opinion' on the matter and emphasized that he would have to know which campaign paid for what, he did say that the billboards should be taken down or modified with the proper office being sought in a 'reasonable time frame'. When I asked if 31 days (that is how long it has been since the announcement of the switch to Govenor) was beyond a reasonable time frame, he said 'it is getting very close'. I'm willing to cut Doran some slack, mostly because I can't wait for him to beat the shiite out of Hatch. But if they are still up on November 3rd, someone will probably file a complaint. That someone is most likely Mike Hatch. k.d."|W|P|113043509061410622|W|P|UPDATE: MDE EXCLUSIVE: ARE DORAN'S U.S. SENATE BILLBOARDS ILLEGAL?|W|P|minnesotademocratsexposed@hotmail.com10/27/2005 11:30:00 AM|W|P|Blogger anonymous|W|P|Isn't "inside_source's" credibility gone now that Hatch has declared for gov?10/27/2005 11:42:00 AM|W|P|Blogger Minnesota Democrats Exposed|W|P|"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat."

Any questions?10/27/2005 12:07:00 PM|W|P|Blogger Abrogans|W|P|I don't really get it. Does Doran Senate Committee still rent the signs? I am assuming that the committee signed a contract. Did it expire? If so, who then is responsible? Doran for Senate which is gone, Doran for Governor or the Billboard Company? If the contract has expired, then wouldn't the billboard company be in violation of campaign finance laws (corporate contribution?)? If the contract did not expire, does the contract then belong to Doran for Gov? I think that there is a lot of missing info here to determine the legality and who would be responsible.10/27/2005 12:11:00 PM|W|P|Blogger John Jordan.com|W|P|I think the likelihood here is that his contract expired at the end of September and the Billboard company just hasn't gotten around to changing them.10/27/2005 12:14:00 PM|W|P|Blogger Shark.bait|W|P|MDE said...

Any questions?

Just one...why didn't you give Teddy credit for that quote? You are normally so good at giving credit! (Sorry, just had to tease you a little!)10/27/2005 12:16:00 PM|W|P|Blogger StPaul_DFLer|W|P|Mr Jordan is correct, kind of.
Contract expired in September with the Kelly Doran for Senate campaign.
That space was the rented to the Kelly Doran for Governor Campaign.
Maybe the same guy, but for legalities, it is two seperate entities.

Rather the Doran for Governor campaign has gotten around to the wording on the billboard is of no consequence, unless it still says Senate.10/27/2005 12:19:00 PM|W|P|Blogger Minnesota Democrats Exposed|W|P|Shark.bait: Good point, my mistake.10/27/2005 12:40:00 PM|W|P|Blogger StPaul_DFLer|W|P|Teddy Roosevelt, a true Progressive. You guys can't be swayed by Teddy.

Although he became president because of the assassination of McKinley in 1901, he was nothing like the hero of todays conservatives and his boss. Throughout both terms, Roosevelt disappointed Republican conservatives by pressing hard for a variety of reforms.

He increased railroad regulation and sought protection of the nation's food and drug supplies.

He shocked his party by threatening management in order to settle an ongoing coal strike(siding with the workers). His programs of protection of public lands drew both praise from what we call environmentalists and criticism from corporate interest, or what we would call Republicans.

Roosevelt received great public supoprt with his Trust-busting initiatives, starting with him putting his foot to the ass of J.P Morgan's Northern Securities Company.

The Republicans turned on him and tried to blame the panic of 1907 on him and his progressive policies, but those policies were the beginnings of major bank reform, which were continued by Democrats and credited with saving the banking industry decades later.

Some more quotes from TR:

"Let the watchwords of all our people be the old familiar watchwords of honesty, decency, fair-dealing, and commonsense."... "We must treat each man on his worth and merits as a man. We must see that each is given a square deal, because he is entitled to no more and should receive no less.""The welfare of each of us is dependent fundamentally upon the welfare of all of us."
New York State Fair, Syracuse, September 7, 1903

"A man who is good enough to shed his blood for his country is good enough to be given a square deal afterwards. More than that no man is entitled, and less than that no man shall have."
Speech to veterans, Springfield, IL, July 4, 1903

"We demand that big business give the people a square deal; in return we must insist that when anyone engaged in big business honestly endeavors to do right he shall himself be given a square deal."
Letter to Sir Edward Gray, November 15, 1913

What in hell are you doing admiring such a man. He's one of my favorites.10/27/2005 02:36:00 PM|W|P|Blogger tom|W|P|Hey Stpaul_Dink! I was in Chicago yesterday, so I missed your invite.

E-mail me tjswift@yahoo.com for directions.

Can't wait!10/27/2005 02:44:00 PM|W|P|Blogger StPaul_DFLer|W|P|Just be at Yanereally's on the Eastside (Maryland and Payne) at 7:35. its a bar and you'll know me when I walk in. Jeans, brown shirt, black leather jacket, your name on the end of my foot.10/27/2005 02:50:00 PM|W|P|Blogger Swiftee|W|P|7:35..at a bar?

How about you meet me for a nice workout right now. Cherokee park right across the Smith street bridge at the pavilion is a very peaceful spot.10/27/2005 03:00:00 PM|W|P|Blogger Swiftee|W|P|I'm waiting dink.10/27/2005 03:16:00 PM|W|P|Blogger StPaul_DFLer|W|P|Not in the bar, the parking lot. Many titles have been won and lost back there.

Seriously, not going to happen. The moment you see me, you'll recognize me and so ends the cover.

Gotta put my pride behind me and remember that I do a lot more sticking up for my Party on here than I would kicking you in one night, and then being 'exposed'.
First local then the national news would be interviewing us about this new internet rage that is happening. You'll be on Fox News and I'll be on MSNBC by the end of next week.

Being anonymous has its advantages as MDE can attest to. You have to focus on the argument instead of the man. That's the bigger picture.

So, go ahead, start with the names,. DooFaLoofus, DFLoser, etc.., you don't need help. I can take it.

Know this, its been about three years since you made my list of people who need their asses kicked, including some of the ridiculus crud you currently write on the St Paul issues forum- although a couple of people seem to have your number and check you everytime. We'll have our dance in the near future, but not soon.

No, Tommie, its not going to happen. Yesterday-yep. Today- cooler heads have prevailed.

later swiftless.10/27/2005 04:11:00 PM|W|P|Blogger Swiftee|W|P|Pfft.

Like I said in the beginning MDE, you have nothing to worry about when it comes to these keyboard commando's.10/27/2005 05:20:00 PM|W|P|Blogger Swiftee|W|P|As for you dink...you should have thought this through more before you fucked up and made a threat.

Too late to make excuses now.

I'll be seeing you sooner than you think pal.10/27/2005 05:50:00 PM|W|P|Blogger StPaul_DFLer|W|P|Dude, if you confront me- that's fine. I'm just not going to initiate anything.
Listen Swiftless, I'm still quite certain that whipping your ass would be like cheating on a test, sure it'll be easy but not fulfilling.

Since you don't know me, I'm in control of when that will happen. I say it will happen later.

I didn't fuck up when I threatened to kick your ass, I just haven't decided when its going to happen. And if you think I scare easily- your friend Mr Berg will fill you in the contrary.10/27/2005 06:59:00 AM|W|P|Minnesota Democrats Exposed|W|P|As I and others have noticed, some of the 31 billboards purchased by Kelly Doran's defunct U.S. Senate campaign are still up across Minnesota. When Doran decided to run for governor, he was asked about his numerous billboards: "With this new campaign, he noted that first and foremost the goal is to build name recognition. As of now, billboards still have his Senate campaign information on them. Doran said those advertisements were already scheduled to come down at the end of September." Source: Eden Prairie News, September 28, 2005 But it is almost Halloween and some of the billboards are still up. If someone was driving on Interstate 35 today and saw one of Doran's U.S. Senate campaign billboards and then went to the website listed they would actually be forwarded to Doran's gubernatorial website. Simply put: Doran's U.S. Senate campaign is advertising for Doran's gubernatorial campaign, a potential violation of Minnesota campaign finance laws. According to the Minnesota Campaign Finance and Public Disclosure Board: A principal campaign committee may not accept: Any contribution from: federal candidate committees, local candidate committees, other principal campaign committees except at the time of termination, or corporations (the corporate prohibition is in Chapter 211B). Source: Minnesota Campaign Finance and Public Disclosure Board Doran's campaign for the U.S. Senate may have officially ended, but he still has an active campaign committee. It clear why Doran paid for the billboards: "It's 443 days until Minnesota picks a new U.S. senator, but real estate developer and neophyte politician Kelly Doran already has put up 31 billboards and is working full time to build name recognition in his pursuit of the DFL nomination." Source: Star Tribune, August 21, 2005 "After Doran lent his campaign $250,000 for startup costs, it rented 31 strategically placed billboards to introduce him to Minnesotans. Doran says most candidates try to raise enough money to show their campaigns are viable, but his challenge is different: to use his centrist approach to win favorable name recognition." Source: Star Tribune , August 22, 2005 Doran should have made sure his U.S. Senate billboards were taken down as he promised and his campaign should have separated the two campaign operations. More principle, less politics? I don't think so. UPDATE: A dedicated reader of Minnesota Democrats Exposed suggested I ask this question: Is Kelly Doran's gubernatorial campaign directly benefiting from advertisements paid for by Kelly Doran's U.S. Senate campaign? |W|P|113037468459986403|W|P|MDE EXCLUSIVE: ARE DORAN'S U.S. SENATE BILLBOARDS ILLEGAL?|W|P|minnesotademocratsexposed@hotmail.com10/27/2005 07:48:00 AM|W|P|Blogger Minnesota Democrats Exposed|W|P|The answer to the question is yes.10/27/2005 07:51:00 AM|W|P|Blogger StPaul_DFLer|W|P|I'll try to make this as simple as possible and leave out all of the big words.

Since his campaigns are self-financed, he doesn't accept public money, therefore, he has less- I repeat less, constraints on what he can do.

Did any publicity gained from Pawlenty for Senate, and Coleman for Governor campaigns help either one of them a couple months later when Cheney convinced them to switch? (Dick gets a smart point from me for that call. Good move.)

Anyone can call the MN Campaign Finance Board and have it explained. Any real reporter or journalist would have don that- a simple three minute local call. Naw, this blog (MDE) has an agenda to show Democrats in the worst light possible- even if it has to stoop below the truth.

My hats off to ya MDE- but I'll be throwing wrench in your machinery along way. Every chance I get.10/27/2005 08:09:00 AM|W|P|Blogger Minnesota Democrats Exposed|W|P|St. Paul DFLer: Regardless of how much of your own money you spend, you need to follow the law.

This is a solid post and don't think for a second that I or someone else has not spoken with the Minnesota Campaign Finance Board.

Give this post sometime, I think it has legs.

If you are so confident, give them a call.10/27/2005 08:12:00 AM|W|P|Blogger Minnesota Democrats Exposed|W|P|St. Paul DFLer: Pawlenty never formally announced he was a candidate for the U.S. Senate. Nice try.

There is a legal difference between someone thinking about running for the U.S. Senate and someone establishing a campaign committee.10/27/2005 08:18:00 AM|W|P|Blogger StPaul_DFLer|W|P|and Coleman?

Anyway, don't ask me to give it time. What exactly time frame do you give for any of your posts?

Analogy:
You throw it out there and see what sticks. I come along and spray WD40, to show it doesn't stick and let it fall to the floor. You step on it and its stuck to you. Right where it belongs.10/27/2005 08:22:00 AM|W|P|Blogger ReaganBlows|W|P|This is another non-story... your really reaching for things...10/27/2005 08:51:00 AM|W|P|Blogger Minnesota Democrats Exposed|W|P|I would appreciate Reaganblows and StPaulDFLer answering this question:

Is Kelly Doran's gubernatorial campaign directly benefiting from advertisements paid for by Kelly Doran's U.S. Senate campaign?10/27/2005 08:57:00 AM|W|P|Blogger Minnesota Democrats Exposed|W|P|St. Paul DFL and Mike S. should look at my correction to their previous post on Entenza and Quam.10/27/2005 08:59:00 AM|W|P|Blogger StPaul_DFLer|W|P|Probably, sure.
How can you measure the benefit?

He returned all money donated to him during the Senate run. So what now?10/27/2005 09:10:00 AM|W|P|Blogger Minnesota Democrats Exposed|W|P|Thank you for answering my question and then answering a question I didn't ask.

The law doesn't specify a measured benefit, just that there is a benefit.

You believe Kelly Doran's U.S. Senate billboards are currently benefiting his gubernatorial campaign. That would be a violation of Minnesota Campaign Finance Law.

The law is trying to prevent someone from establishing numerous campaign committees to circumvent (sic?) spending laws.

For example: If you decided to run for governor (God, help us) and spent $500,000 on ads and then decided to run for attorney general at the same time your governor's campaign would be helping your attorney general's race.

When you have an active U.S. Senate campaign, you are still a candidate for the U.S. Senate. That is why the law demands contributions can only be accepted from a terminating campaign.

It doesn't matter if he returned the money.10/27/2005 09:43:00 AM|W|P|Blogger StPaul_DFLer|W|P|MDE
You still have to demostrate a benefit. WHen I ask how do you measure it, I don't mean quantity, but proving it exist.
The only benefit that the signs could have provided is to up his name recognition (where a commercial can be measured by the market, ratings and cost per viewer rate which is pretty standard).
His campaign can argue that it specifically said for U.S. Senate. Since he is not going to be onth ballot for U. S. Senate, it was a wash.

Running for Governor, it can be argued that he will have to double his efforts to inform people that he is NOW a gubernatorial candidate.

This law is based on one thing- a specific candidate running for a specific office. He did switch campaigns which ended all Senate advertisment. he has now begun a Gubernatorial run. WHenever it started it was slotted as day one.

The last day of the Senate billboard ended when he papered over "Senate" and had "Governor" painted over it. With money slated for his gubernatorial bid.

Did he get name recognition because of all of this? Yes. Can it be argued that its higher now than it would have been if he didn't run for senate and just now started his gubernatorial run? Yes.

But the case is, he did run for office and previous runs for office helps with name recognition. Norm Coleman was made familiar by his 1998 run for Governor.

When he ran for Senate four years later, he certainly gained from his Gubby run. You think the VP would have known who he was if he didnt't make that failed attempt?10/27/2005 10:35:00 AM|W|P|Blogger Inside_source|W|P|I called the Campaign Finance Board regarding the Doran billboards. While he was relunctant to give an "official opinion" on the matter and emphasized that he would have to know which campaign paid for what, he did say that the billboards should be taken down or modified with the proper office being sought in a "reasonable time frame". When I asked if 31 days (that is how long it has been since the announcement of the switch to Govenor) was beyond a reasonable time frame, he said "it is getting very close".

I'm willing to cut Doran some slack, mostly because I can't wait for him to beat the shiite out of Hatch. But if they are still up on November 3rd, someone will probably file a complaint. That someone is most likely Mike Hatch.
k.d.10/27/2005 12:12:00 PM|W|P|Blogger StPaul_DFLer|W|P|Key word is changed. Do they say Governor or do they still say Senate? Or, do the say nothing?
If they say Senate- illegal.
If they say anything else- he's in the clear.10/27/2005 12:18:00 PM|W|P|Blogger Minnesota Democrats Exposed|W|P|They say "Senate"10/27/2005 12:57:00 PM|W|P|Blogger StPaul_DFLer|W|P|Then, Mr MDE, you may have yourself a point.

That point will rest upon if the Billboard Company or the Senate Campaign are in possession of a contract with an end date within the CFB regulations or not.10/27/2005 09:17:00 PM|W|P|Blogger ReaganBlows|W|P|I don't think they are benefiting Doran, because they are making him look like an opportunist, which is what he is. I don't think his billboards are gaining him any votes or raising his positives.10/26/2005 01:12:00 PM|W|P|Minnesota Democrats Exposed|W|P|
The picture of Matt Entenza on the left is from his attorney general campaign website, while the picture on the right is from the Minnesota House of Representative. His wife must have paid for a make-over. |W|P|113035755550100134|W|P|THE NEW MATT ENTENZA|W|P|minnesotademocratsexposed@hotmail.com10/26/2005 01:42:00 PM|W|P|Blogger Republican Minnesota|W|P|What a tool.10/26/2005 01:49:00 PM|W|P|Blogger Shark.bait|W|P|Could they make him look any more washed out and white? I mean, I know we live in Minnesota, but there IS sunshine here at least 1-2 months out of the year. (Sorry…it appears that my seasonal affective disorder is kicking in early this year.)10/26/2005 02:38:00 PM|W|P|Blogger Kevin from Minneapolis|W|P|Looks to me like they just used different lighting. Not so washed and neutral in the official House photo. More orangish and natural in the campaign photo.

Seems comparable to the difference you would get if you took a traditional grade school picture and compared it to something taken at Glamour Shots.10/26/2005 04:08:00 PM|W|P|Blogger North Star Politics|W|P|I agree.

This is a cheap shot, MDE. Don't Republicans extol those who make a lot of money?10/26/2005 07:56:00 PM|W|P|Blogger Inside_source|W|P|If he had a facelift, I could see why this would be a story, but it obviously is just a nicer photo with better lighting.

Anyone else notice the shot Matt took at Mike in the press conference?10/26/2005 08:10:00 PM|W|P|Blogger Minnesota Democrats Exposed|W|P|No, please tell us.10/27/2005 05:55:00 AM|W|P|Blogger Inside_source|W|P|The early edition of the Entenza article in the Strib contained a quote where Entenza took a shot at Hatch, criticizing his "sue first, ask questions later" philosophy. This is a nearly exact quote from Jeff Johnson's press conference
earlier this year. Clearly this is something that struck a nerve and Entenza wants to paint himself as a more reasonable A.G.

Smart strategy, but dubious in it's honesty.10/27/2005 07:51:00 AM|W|P|Blogger Kevin from Minneapolis|W|P|Has anyone seen the "official" "family" photo of the Entenzas that they sent around? I wish I could get my hands on it, it is the oddest thing you've ever seen.

Anyone got it?10/27/2005 07:54:00 AM|W|P|Blogger StPaul_DFLer|W|P|See? This is what I'm talking about. You want to talk about families?
Norm and Laurie Coleman. Perfect Republican family. Only if you are a shut-in.

Matt and his wife have been together since high school in Worthington. Not a hint of scandal, so lets just pick on their looks.

Get a life- or even a wife. Harriet Miers got some time on her hands now.10/27/2005 08:25:00 AM|W|P|Blogger ReaganBlows|W|P|Where's that picture of Norm's dental work? Remember the dentist that used to have Norm's chompers on his website? It seems Normy got a little ticked...10/28/2005 05:34:00 AM|W|P|Blogger Kevin from Minneapolis|W|P|Uhhh, we don't know that.10/28/2005 08:26:00 AM|W|P|Blogger StPaul_DFLer|W|P|We do know this now.

Norm's makeover:
http://rawstory.com/exclusives/byrne/norm_coleman_featured_smile_124.htm

I guess you can't legislate unles you have a milion dollar smile.10/26/2005 10:22:00 AM|W|P|Minnesota Democrats Exposed|W|P|Inside Minnesota Politics is a great resource for candidate speeches and interviews. |W|P|113034763680529430|W|P|INSIDE MINNESOTA POLITICS|W|P|minnesotademocratsexposed@hotmail.com10/26/2005 12:24:00 PM|W|P|Blogger I hate MDE|W|P|This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.10/26/2005 12:35:00 PM|W|P|Blogger Shark.bait|W|P|I hate MDE...

Why don't you go and play hide and go F yourself and leave MDE alone.

You are obviously nothing more than a chicken shit terrorist who is hiding behind the anonymity that you are so desperate to remove from MDE. You want to expose someone, why don’t you tell us all who you are?

Afraid that we might give out your address and directions to your house?

Afraid that we might comment about the nice tree you have in your front yard?

What a coward you are!10/26/2005 09:28:00 AM|W|P|Minnesota Democrats Exposed|W|P|

This is a great statement.

## State Representative Jeff Johnson, Republican candidate for Minnesota attorney general, issued the following statement today regarding Representative Matt Entenza, DFL-St. Paul, announcing his candidacy:

"I welcome Matt into the race. If he is my opponent next year it will present the voters of Minnesota with a strong contrast in both style and philosophy. I honestly think he is the only person in the state of Minnesota who is more partisan and political than Mike Hatch.

When I'm attorney general, the office will focus on public safety, consumer protection and job growth - not on politics and self-promotion." Source: Jeff Johnson for Attorney General

|W|P|113034433175492998|W|P|JOHNSON REACTION TO ENTENZA ANNOUNCEMENT|W|P|minnesotademocratsexposed@hotmail.com10/26/2005 09:49:00 AM|W|P|Blogger StPaul_DFLer|W|P|Always good to start off by saying how partisan your opponent is when your opponent haven't said a word yet. Good job Jeff.10/26/2005 10:03:00 AM|W|P|Blogger John Jordan.com|W|P|As one of the few people here who has worked with both Entenza and Johnson, I can tell you that Johnson's got it right. Entenza is about partisanship and self-promotion. It's a game to him, a sport, a hobby.10/26/2005 10:18:00 AM|W|P|Blogger Mike S|W|P|As a person who has worked with Entenza, he is competative in elections, sure. But not for sport, for the issues he cares about. I don't question any politician's motives. I believe that anyone smart enough to have success in high level politics could be making a lot more money elsewhere, so they must truly believe what they are doing is right. I don't always agree with them, but I trust they think they are right.10/26/2005 11:20:00 AM|W|P|Blogger StPaul_DFLer|W|P|If I remember exactly Mr Jordan, you didn't work at all with Entenza. You were one of the biggest partisans without any depth.
That's why you're posting on here and Entenza went on to leadership and now the AG's seat.

Talk about partisanship?
The DFL caucus comes to one less of being of half the caucus. Do you think the Speaker allowed for more staff to reflect this? Nope.

When the DFL was in the majority, did they budget for extra staff requests from the GOP- yes.

With almost one short of half the members being DFLers, do you think the Republicans assigned committees to reflect this? Hell no. They don't care about what the people of Mn wanted, they made sure that the main committees had a three to five republican slant.

Fair and balanced?10/26/2005 11:46:00 AM|W|P|Blogger North Star Politics|W|P|How long has it been since a Republican held the AG's seat?

FOURTY YEARS

When people want to be the law to be enforced arbitrarily, they'll vote for a Republican for AG. Until then, that seat will stay in the DFL column. Jeff Jordan doesn't have a prayer of winning the office, but if he did he'd turn a blind eye to the corporate scandal and fraud that Hatch has diligently worked to end and Entenza will continue to pursue. Jeff Johnson is about big business, while Matt Entenza will be about protecting the little guy.

Mr. Jordan - can you tell me why Matt Entenza is the minority leader running for statewide office while you are a former state representative blogging about a political world that you no longer run in?10/26/2005 01:20:00 PM|W|P|Blogger John Jordan.com|W|P|If I remember exactly Mr Jordan, you didn't work at all with Entenza. You were one of the biggest partisans without any depth.

It's so funny to watch DFL'ers make things up when they don't have a factual response to offer. I was hardly a partisan. I am one of the most pragmatic conservative Republicans that existed. I'm pro-stadium, pro-Northstar, etc. Some of my best friends and supporters are democrats, my friend.

That's why you're posting on here and Entenza went on to leadership and now the AG's seat.

And when making things up isn't enough, the personal shot.

Maybe I should have married into big money like Entenza, eh? I went for love instead of cash.10/26/2005 01:36:00 PM|W|P|Blogger John Jordan.com|W|P|Jeff Jordan doesn't have a prayer of winning the office

Who is Jeff Jordan?

Jeff Johnson is about big business, while Matt Entenza will be about protecting the little guy.

ROTFL10/26/2005 01:47:00 PM|W|P|Blogger John Jordan.com|W|P|That's why you're posting on here and Entenza went on to leadership and now the AG's seat.

One other thing - at least I can speak from my experience as one who has put his hat in the ring.

It's easy to sit back and take anonymous and inaccurate pot shots when you've never had the guts to try it yourself.10/26/2005 03:16:00 PM|W|P|Blogger StPaul_DFLer|W|P|Mr Jordan, for all you know I am there now, city or county official that is. No desire for the state house.

And you were a partisan. You are a partisan. You are now a rejected partisan and bitter.

You whine about people taking shots at you, yet you take shots at Matt and his wife. His wife has money- she earned it working up the corporate ladder. i thought you guys respected that?
She went to high school with Matt in Worthington, both were poor nerds.

Unlike many other couples, every bit of power from money and politics came from thier own hard work.

Again, you have been busted down to the Bush leagues and want to talk like you're still in the majors.

For all of you talking about people hiding behind screen names, this whole blog is about that! Whomever MDE is, has made a name for themselves by exposing embarrassing and personal information yet, works very very hard at keeping his ID undercover.

Republicans=Hypocrisy10/26/2005 07:38:00 PM|W|P|Blogger Mike S|W|P|Nice one...complain about cheap shots and then throw one at Entenza's marriage. For the record (I thought you would know this for how well you claim to know Matt) that Lois and he were high school sweethearts in Worthington. So I think there just might be a little bit of love in their marriage.10/27/2005 08:56:00 AM|W|P|Blogger Minnesota Democrats Exposed|W|P|For the record, Matt Entenza and Lois Quam didn't go to high school together.

Quam went to Marshall High Scool and Entenza went to Worthington High School.

I know you Minneapolis and St. Paul Liberals think small towns in greater Minnesota are all the same, but they have different names.

Check-mate by MDE.10/27/2005 09:05:00 AM|W|P|Blogger John Jordan.com|W|P|And you were a partisan. You are a partisan. You are now a rejected partisan and bitter.

So now I'm "bitter"? Oh, c'mon. You're an anonymous guy taking potshots at someone you don't even know. When you can't defend your guy, you have to keep making things up about me. And every time you do, you add something more to it.

You're like Sean, nothing more than a bumpersticker understanding of anything Republican.10/27/2005 09:07:00 AM|W|P|Blogger John Jordan.com|W|P|both were poor nerds.

At least one moved on from their nerd-dom.

(C'mon, you left that one hanging out there... :) )10/27/2005 09:12:00 AM|W|P|Blogger Minnesota Democrats Exposed|W|P|Representative Jordan, you quick humor is missed in the Minnesota Legislature.10/27/2005 09:26:00 AM|W|P|Blogger StPaul_DFLer|W|P|Mr Jordan, you were and are partisan. I have been doing a damn good job of defending my guys on here. Damn good.

Finding out who I am doesn't change what I say, as I'm focused on showing the errors and hypocrisy of Republicans on their site that tries to do the same aith DFLers. I'm not the issue. You on the other hand, inject yourself in when you can. For instance, you start off by saying "ass the only person on here who worked with Entenza..." Well that's wrong. You are not. I have too, but you brought your experience in here as proof of your conclusions in this so you are fair game.

You also made a statement a while back about you, personally you, seeing more DFLers as trying to cheat the campaign finance rules and cited one- Phyllis Kahn. I cited four Republicans and then went after you. Why? You'd have to be a partisan hack to say that. Anyone paying attention over the last three and half years would know that the Republicans are leading the way in getting caught cheating and fines.

And, you are still wrong on Lois and Matt. They both are still nerds. Lovable, smart and successful nerds.10/27/2005 09:45:00 AM|W|P|Blogger John Jordan.com|W|P|For instance, you start off by saying "ass the only person on here who worked with Entenza..."

If you're going to attempt to use my words, at least get it right.

I never said I was the only person who worked with him, I said this:

As one of the few people here who has worked with both Entenza and Johnson

That's quite different than what you're attempting to put into my mouth. Note, I didn't say I was the only person, but ONE of the only people to have worked with BOTH of them.

I'm not the issue.

The more you mis-use my words, the more you become the issue.

brought your experience in here as proof of your conclusions in this so you are fair game.

Yet you've not used my experience for your own gain, you've attempted to mis-use what isn't my experience for your gain. Making things up about me doesn't help your arguments, it harms your reputation.

You'd have to be a partisan hack to say that.

And you're not?

And, you are still wrong on Lois and Matt. They both are still nerds.

Given I don't know Lois, I defer to your judgment. :)

The bottom line is that you've been unable to defend Entenza and have found it easier to attempt to smear me. I can take it, no problem. But I am curious why you can't defend him instead?

What makes him a good AG candidate? Facts, not politics. What makes him better than Jeff Johnson? Facts, not bumpersticker rhetoric like that big business non-sense from yesterday.10/27/2005 09:46:00 AM|W|P|Blogger Mike S|W|P|While true they didn't attend high school together, they knew each other through, I believe it was debate. For the record, I went to high school in greater Minnesota and I knew plenty of people from nearby cities and towns, even dated one.

Check-mate-mate?10/27/2005 09:54:00 AM|W|P|Blogger John Jordan.com|W|P|Representative Jordan, you quick humor is missed in the Minnesota Legislature.

Never again, my friend, never again. :)

And for the record, my wife and I DID go to high school together. Met the last day of eighth grade, been married over 24 years. (Just in case this ever comes up when I run for AG... :) )10/27/2005 09:56:00 AM|W|P|Blogger StPaul_DFLer|W|P|JOrdan, lay out the case for johnson and the case against Entenza. I'll do the same.

I'm a partisan. Hence my name. If you got over and read what I've written, you'll notice that I'm not silent when those who agree with me step out of line. Nobody, and I do mean nobody has gone after 'i hate mde' stronger than i have. I was the first to ask mde to file charges and suggest that footprints from the ip address may be present. I also went after the Lefty Liberal on here. I'm a partisan, but not a head up my ass partisan. You however seem to follow Reagans 11th Commandment, "thou shalt not speak ill of another republican". That's what blind partisans do. Hell even 'Repubilcan Minnesota' posted a story on the CIA Leak Indictments on his blog. He titled it "F*ck", but he posted it.
You call DFLers cheaters, and yet when you are gunned with opposing facts, you want to slice and dice how I said something instead of addressing the meat of what I said.
You're a tired partisan that still reaching. Here's your chance.
Lay out the case for Johnson AND against Entenza. I will defend Entenza with Matt's own record and kick Johnson down with his.

Ball's in your court...10/27/2005 10:04:00 AM|W|P|Blogger StPaul_DFLer|W|P|I don't what happened to this post but I stated that when you live in a small town, sometimes the better looking girls or the girls that will date you come from other towns or schools. Its the ol' grass is always greener thing.
That;s the case case here, they were high school sweethearts.

I happen to know this part of the state very well. use to debate a skinny kid who read the almanac all the time from Marshall. He went on to Southwest State to debate me in student government and then went on to teach and serve in the legislature where he serves today on the other side of the aisle. I chose to not be poor as an adult and went on to make some money and them get into this political sphere.

Anywho, Matt and Lois are older than e and I never meant to indicate that they were in the same school. Just that as teenagers they were dating.10/26/2005 09:05:00 AM|W|P|Minnesota Democrats Exposed|W|P|I tip my hat to the Republican Party of Minnesota for sticking it to Hatch and Entenza this week with solid hits. ## Under Cloud of FEC Investigation, Matt Entenza Kicks Off Campaign to Buy Attorney General’s Office St. Paul - Republican Party of Minnesota Chairman Ron Carey today responded to Matt Entenza's entry into the Attorney General’s race: "Last year Matt Entenza tried to buy the Minnesota House of Representatives with a $300,000 donation to the 21st Century Democrats. This shadowy group was penalized with a record fine of over $300,000 from the state Campaign Finance and Public Disclosure Board. "This year Matt Entenza is trying to buy the Minnesota Attorney General's Office in spite of an ongoing FEC investigation into the illegal activities of the 21st Century Democrats. "In addition, Entenza's voting record and leadership of House Democrats is extremely liberal and out of touch with mainstream Minnesotans. "Matt Entenza needs to come clean today and answer some serious questions. Every Minnesotan deserves to know answers to the following questions: 1. Will Matt Entenza abide by state spending limits? 2. What is the precise nature of Matt Entenza's relationship with the 21st Century Democrats? 3. How did DFL House candidates backed by the 21st Century Democrats benefit from this involvement in their campaigns? 4. What role will 21st Century Democrats play in Matt Entenza's Attorney General campaign?
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Source: Republican Party of Minnesota
|W|P|113034330348169315|W|P|REPUBLICAN RESPONSE TO ENTENZA ANNOUNCEMENT A SOLID ONE - TWO PUNCH|W|P|minnesotademocratsexposed@hotmail.com10/26/2005 09:54:00 AM|W|P|Blogger StPaul_DFLer|W|P|Again- do the Republicans really want to start off by talking about spending limits. While Matt has not been found in violation of anything, just accused, the Republican Governor Tim Pawlenty was fined $800,000 for his campaigns lawbreaking.

$800,000!10/26/2005 10:06:00 AM|W|P|Blogger Minnesota Democrats Exposed|W|P|It was $600,000 or $100,000 depending on who you ask.

http://www.cfboard.state.mn.us/bdinfo/Con_Agr/pawlentycon.htm

It was not $800,00010/26/2005 10:22:00 AM|W|P|Blogger Mike S|W|P|And neither 21st Century Democrats or Entenza were fined for what they did together. This is an example of the GOP trying to make a there when, there is no there there. Typicaly. If A helped B, and B was fined, A must also be guilty. By that logic the entire GOP is involved in a national conspiricy to undermine our national defence by illegally disclosing covert CIA operatives.

No one would be stupid enough to believe that, so hopefully they won't bite on this 21st Century Dems/Entenza crap.10/26/2005 11:27:00 AM|W|P|Blogger StPaul_DFLer|W|P|It came out to total of $800,000 weren't you working with them at the time?
I'll figure how.
One thing you can't dispute is that his fine for cheating is the biggest one in the state's history.10/28/2005 07:25:00 AM|W|P|Blogger Minnesotah|W|P|"undermine our national defence by illegally disclosing covert CIA operatives."

WTH?? If anyone is undermining our national defense it's the CIA itself (and Who's Who in America).10/28/2005 08:06:00 AM|W|P|Blogger StPaul_DFLer|W|P|Going personal on people with the security clearances that the Wilson have, puts them and their contacts in danger.

I love these Republicans who are trial and national security experts.

These guys fucked with our national security for political purposes that at worst, sent us into a war with false causes.

Treason.10/28/2005 11:04:00 AM|W|P|Blogger Minnesotah|W|P|You are the one who needs some expertise. Having security clearance doesn't mean ANYTHING. Just having a security clearance doesn't protect you from public criticism. Where did you get that idea??

Valerie Plame was not a covert operative, nor had she been on foreign assignment as a covert operative in the five years prior to Novak's article. It is not against the law to name a CIA employee who is not an undercover agent (George Tenet, anyone? Is he immune, too?).

Also, by the way: Joe Wilson didn't have any security clearance at the time he was sent to Niger. In fact he had zero intelligence background, and almost everything he has said has been thoroughly discredited by the senate intelligence committee reports.10/28/2005 11:19:00 AM|W|P|Blogger Minnesotah|W|P|Heck, my some of my coworkers (at a private corporation) have top security clearances, you can bet I criticise them in writing now and again. We even mention the Dept of Defense in our client list on the website. Is there a problem with that? Maybe according to you there is.

Having a security clearance is like being a CPA. It's just a designation and it's not a super big ultra secret deal.10/29/2005 09:05:00 AM|W|P|Blogger StPaul_DFLer|W|P|Listen and try to comprehend the facts.

This whole case was intiated to the Department of Justice by the CIA, signed off by George Tenet after reading Plames name in Novak's article.

Get that? The CIA felt that this was a crime. You know, the Agency in charge of assigning the levels of clearance and who's cover is what.
You jackasses are arguing against yourselves.

The CIA has maintained that Wilson was chosen for the trip by senior officials in the Directorate of Operations counterproliferation division (CPD) -- not by his wife -- largely because he had handled a similar agency inquiry in Niger in 1999. On that trip, Plame, who worked in that division, had suggested him because he was planning to go there, according to Wilson and the Senate committee report.

So, aside from his life risking acts of patriotism from the previous 15 years as a FSO, he had exact experience in inquiring the same government about the same concerns.

1. The CIA felt the cover of one of their agents was blown.
2. Joe Wilson was experienced and knowledgable and the CIA signed off on him.
3. Two criminals have been indicted in this White House and more are coming.10/31/2005 10:39:00 AM|W|P|Blogger Minnesotah|W|P|1. The CIA "feeling" that the cover was blown does not change the fact that the statute in question has clear requirements as I mentioned above. If the CIA believes the statute is insufficient, they need to lobby Congress to change it. Here's to the rule of law.

2. Joe Wilson, according to the senate intelligence report, WAS recommended by his wife on two occasions, despite having no background in the intelligence community and no prior security clearances. That is a documented fact, so you can keep your "CIA maintains".

3. The charge against Scooter is on perjury, a separate issue. I am with you on that one. In fact I'm glad the Democrats once again recognize perjury for the evil it is. Here's to the rule of law.10/31/2005 01:59:00 PM|W|P|Blogger StPaul_DFLer|W|P|1.Special Prosecutor felt the same. This is from his transcripts:

...Before I talk about those charges and what the indictment alleges, I'd like to put the investigation into a little context.

Valerie Wilson was a CIA officer. In July 2003, the fact that Valerie Wilson was a CIA officer was classified. Not only was it classified, but it was not widely known outside the intelligence community.

Valerie Wilson's friends, neighbors, college classmates had no idea she had another life.

FITZGERALD: The fact that she was a CIA officer was not well- known, for her protection or for the benefit of all us. It's important that a CIA officer's identity be protected, that it be protected not just for the officer, but for the nation's security.

Valerie Wilson's cover was blown in July 2003. The first sign of that cover being blown was when Mr. Novak published a column on July 14th, 2003.

2. Joe Wilson's qualifications:
Joe Wilson's qualifications: (1) former ambassador to Niger; (2) former foreign service officer in Baghdad, Iraq (for which he was commended by Pres. Bush41); (3) through his wife, he would have access to any technical information needed to evaluate intel on WMD.

3. Scooter was not just indicted for perjury, but for five serious counts. Five that could see him prison for 30 years. One count of obstruction of justice, two counts of perjury and two counts of making false statements.

See the difference?10/26/2005 06:32:00 AM|W|P|Minnesota Democrats Exposed|W|P|11:45 a.m. ENTENZA-ATTORNEY GENERAL House DFL Leader Matt Entenza announces candidacy for state attorney general.

Location: Matt Entenza's home, 1647 Portland Ave., St. Paul

Contacts: John Van Hecke, (651) 245-1850

Once again, Minnesota Democrats Exposed has been proven a reliable source.

|W|P|113033399833633077|W|P|DETAILS ON ENTENZA FOR ATTORNEY GENERAL ANNOUNCEMENT|W|P|minnesotademocratsexposed@hotmail.com10/26/2005 06:59:00 AM|W|P|Blogger I hate MDE|W|P|This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.10/26/2005 08:08:00 AM|W|P|Blogger StPaul_DFLer|W|P|So, after all that we're trying to do to lend support you as this guy posts your name and address, you still are on your mission. You damn well that Entenza is annoucing down in Worthington, not in St Paul. That wouldn't fit you agenda, so you publish his address again. Are you an idiot MDE?

Maybe the chickens are coming home to roost.10/26/2005 08:12:00 AM|W|P|Blogger Shark.bait|W|P|I just don’t get it! Why are you and the DFL so obsessed with who MDE is? Nobody cares who any of the pro DFL bloggers are! All you are doing by being this big of a prick is proving that MDE is right about the DFL and that the loony left will do anything to silence him/her because he hits too close to home for you.

Who ever MDE is, s/he has every right to the First Amendment that you or I have. You may not like what s/he has to say, but that’s tough! Nowhere in the Constitution does it state that you have the right not to be offended by what someone says.

Right now, you are going off of what? An email address that might or might not be actually registered to a Michael Brodkorb? I could go out and get a hotmail account and have anyone’s cell phone I want listed…that doesn’t make me that person. What happens with Mr. Brodkorb has a family and you have falsely accused him?

I also have to find irony in the fact that you are such a chicken shit that you are hiding behind the anonymity that you are so desperately trying to remove from MDE. If you were a REAL man, you would place your name on the line if you were SOOO certain in your claim about the identity of MDE.

GROW UP AND MOVE ON!!!10/26/2005 08:12:00 AM|W|P|Blogger Minnesota Democrats Exposed|W|P|St. Paul DFL:

Entenza has a press conference scheduled at 11:45 at his home. The information above came from Entenza's press release.

His event in Worthington was at 8:00 am.

I am not sure what I did wrong.10/26/2005 08:17:00 AM|W|P|Blogger I hate MDE|W|P|This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.10/26/2005 08:48:00 AM|W|P|Blogger North Star Politics|W|P|Though you did misspell "reliable."10/26/2005 08:59:00 AM|W|P|Blogger Sean Broom|W|P|halloween is monday somebody dressed in a costume could get candy at your house...

Thats a pretty spectacular violation of anyones privacy and security. Whats implicit in it is also disgusting.

You really need to knock this shit off.

Sean10/26/2005 09:05:00 AM|W|P|Blogger Minnesota Democrats Exposed|W|P|Damn you North Star Politics. You always catch my mistakes.

MDE10/26/2005 09:57:00 AM|W|P|Blogger StPaul_DFLer|W|P|MDE, you know exactly what you're doing. You and I were in the same business and even utilized the tactics of the some of the same people.

The headline should be:
MDE, a reliable souce!?!?10/26/2005 10:00:00 AM|W|P|Blogger Minnesota Democrats Exposed|W|P|Please spell it out for me.10/26/2005 11:25:00 AM|W|P|Blogger StPaul_DFLer|W|P|So I can look like a wingnut conspiracy subscribers?
I'd rather not.
For now,
I stand corrected on your intent, and should not have assigned any to you in this case. Mea Culpa and you can delete the post if you wish.

On another note, don't you think its time to stop posting any personal contact information on here of your exposed opponents? At the personal info that would expose their family?10/26/2005 03:44:00 PM|W|P|Blogger The Lady Logician|W|P|"On another note, don't you think its time to stop posting any personal contact information on here of your exposed opponents? At the personal info that would expose their family? "

If the personal contact information is published by the person (in this case Mr. Entenza's home address) in a piece of campaign literature, you have to figure that Mr. Entenza approved that information going out to the public.

Contrast that to a blogger who, because of idiots like I hate MDE, chooses to remain anonymous.....10/25/2005 07:14:00 PM|W|P|Minnesota Democrats Exposed|W|P|

On September 9, 2005, I posted that Matt Entenza would announce his campaign for attorney general on or near the same day Mike Hatch announced his campaign for governor.

"Another one of MDE's fine St. Paul sources learned this week that House Minority Leader Matt Entenza and Attorney General Mike Hatch may now be happy together after all. Entenza has been telling people that he will announce his campaign for Attorney General on or near the same day that Hatch announces his bid for Governor."

Now Checks and Balances is confirming the information from my post on September 9, 2005:

"We wrote last week that House Minority Leader Matt Entenza (DFL-64A, St. Paul) would likely be announcing his bid for Attorney General on October 26th and now we can confirm it as a reality. Entenza will be in Worthington, his hometown, making a formal statement of candidacy flanked by school teachers he studied under at 8:00 AM. He then travels back to the Twin Cities and then onto Duluth." Once again, Minnesota Democrats Exposed has been proven a realiable source. |W|P|113029401467691511|W|P|MDE EXCLUSIVE: HATCH AND ENTENZA -- SO HAPPY TOGETHER? #2|W|P|minnesotademocratsexposed@hotmail.com10/25/2005 07:57:00 PM|W|P|Blogger I hate MDE|W|P|This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.10/25/2005 02:02:00 PM|W|P|Minnesota Democrats Exposed|W|P|I have been waiting since August for the unveiling of Minnesota Republicans Exposed. Is this it? What a bummer. |W|P|113027451513218421|W|P|MINNESOTA REPUBLICANS EXPOSED|W|P|minnesotademocratsexposed@hotmail.com10/25/2005 08:00:00 PM|W|P|Blogger North Star Politics|W|P|This is NOT the site I proposed back in August. I have no information on who is running it.10/25/2005 11:33:00 AM|W|P|Minnesota Democrats Exposed|W|P|
The picture above was taken at Hatch's announcement yesterday and shows someone collecting donations for Hatch's campaign.
While "passing the hat" for contributions is not illegal, it is a violation of Minnesota Campaign Finance Laws to accept an anonymous contribution of more $20. "An anonymous contribution of more than $20. An anonymous contribution is one for which the name and full address of the contributor cannot be determined. You must forward the entire anonymous contribution to the Board within 14 days for deposit in the general account of the State Elections Campaign Fund." Source: Minnesota Campaign Finance and Public Disclosure Board. If anyone putting more than $20 in the hat didn't provide their name and full address, then the contributions must be returned. |W|P|113026518872026563|W|P|PASSING THE HAT FOR HATCH|W|P|minnesotademocratsexposed@hotmail.com10/25/2005 12:25:00 PM|W|P|Blogger I hate MDE|W|P|This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.10/25/2005 01:48:00 PM|W|P|Blogger Tony|W|P|Prediction: hats being passed around as fund raisers will be seen more frequently than ever at DFL events.

Why?

There is no way to kno if people dropped more than $20. I bet that even if there were $50s & $100s in the hats the campaign would not forward them. How would they get caught?

Consider this tactic the loophole that allows larger than $20 anonymous contributions. While you're at it, consider that in the future there will be hats passed around so that people can get around their own personal limits. All they have to do is drop $20s into the hat "anonymously" and, voila, they can easily contribute more than any campaign limits.10/25/2005 02:14:00 PM|W|P|Blogger Da Polga|W|P|I think you're going a little overboard here with the conspiracy theory.

Perhaps you would consider screaming about something other than a hat that appears to have something sticking partially out of it.

Perhaps the fact that he's using a damn top hat. I would think a regular old twins hate would have been enough to circumvent election laws.10/25/2005 02:15:00 PM|W|P|Blogger Da Polga|W|P|*twins hat*. No hate for the Twins.10/25/2005 02:49:00 PM|W|P|Blogger StPaul_DFLer|W|P|If I was a GOPer on here, I'd be very quiet about ways to cheat the campaign finance regulations. Afterall, they have been hit with the biggest fine in state history, and a more indictments in the last four years than the DFL in the previous ten.

Shhhhhh! Be wary wary quiet, you don't want to wattle that cage.10/25/2005 04:36:00 PM|W|P|Blogger Mike S|W|P|Clearly no one posting here has any sense of campaign finance law. Campaigns are required to account for all of their money. While they only publicly report those that contribute over $100, they need to show how many donors they have and what the total raised is from small donors. If people started dropping large contributions in hats it would throw off all their records. It is really more troublesome than its worth.

What you should be worried about are the unlimited soft money contributions continuing to flow into state party's accounts. Pawlenty, two summers ago, was continually rocked by scandel after scandel relaiting to his and the GOP's finance practices. Numerous aides and I believe his campaign treasurer have been investigated and/or indicted in this.

All this without even having to mention Tom DeLay's illegal fundraising that helped 'elect' GOP members of Congress in re-districted Texas.11/18/2005 02:10:00 PM|W|P|Blogger Tracy|W|P|It's funny when someone talks about how it woudl se so hard to track the cash that it wouldn't be worth it.

It's cash you moron!

I seem to remember a lot of republicans NOT being convicted of charges. They do seem to be a target for liberal attorneys.11/23/2005 08:52:00 PM|W|P|Blogger Phill the ranting Righty|W|P|"A good district attorney can indict a ham sandwich if he wants to,"

Nationally the democrats seem to be long on indictments of Republicans but very short on convictions.

I guess if ya cant beat 'em in the arena of ideas, might as well smear them using the lefty prosecutors.10/25/2005 10:12:00 AM|W|P|Minnesota Democrats Exposed|W|P|Ouch! MN Lefty Liberal gives Doran's ads one star out of 10. |W|P|113026049583696966|W|P|FIRST REVIEW OF DORAN'S ADS|W|P|minnesotademocratsexposed@hotmail.com10/25/2005 10:26:00 AM|W|P|Blogger StPaul_DFLer|W|P|The guy is clearly a fringe. None of the candidates are far enough left for him. Not representative of the party at all.

How about if I used some thoguhts from Tony Perkins to represent the GOP?

At this stage, any publicity where you're not in handcuffs is good for you. Doran needs to ramp up that name recognition if he is going to be a threat to Hatch. Running a commercial in every zip code when most people are not think about the Gubernatorial race- except for the news of the day(Hatch announcing), is perfect timing. Hatch(90% name ID among DFLers)news fades away in two days, Doran is still on tv telling you about himself.10/25/2005 10:55:00 AM|W|P|Blogger Inside_source|W|P|Valid point.10/25/2005 12:56:00 PM|W|P|Blogger ReaganBlows|W|P|The ads are poor, for all that money you would think you could do better then that.10/25/2005 01:55:00 PM|W|P|Blogger Inside_source|W|P|I have to admit, there is no such thing as a "bad" ad when you

a) are building name recognition
and
b) are spending $500,000.10/25/2005 09:43:00 AM|W|P|Minnesota Democrats Exposed|W|P|In the last 24 hours, someone using the name "I hate MDE" has posted 30 comments on Minnesota Democrats Exposed. I am deleting the comments as quickly as I can and I apologize if I mistakenly delete your comments (sorry party opposite). |W|P|113025903662201506|W|P|MDE HAS A NEW FRIEND|W|P|minnesotademocratsexposed@hotmail.com10/25/2005 09:54:00 AM|W|P|Blogger I hate MDE|W|P|This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.10/25/2005 09:58:00 AM|W|P|Blogger John Jordan.com|W|P|MDE,

This is clearly harassment and might actually be a case of stalking. Once this user goes beyond just posting messages and starts talking like he's been watching your house, this becomes a legal matter. I would suggest you start documenting in every possible way whatever this clearly insane person is doing to you.10/25/2005 10:05:00 AM|W|P|Blogger I hate MDE|W|P|This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.10/25/2005 10:06:00 AM|W|P|Blogger I hate MDE|W|P|This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.10/25/2005 10:11:00 AM|W|P|Blogger Minnesota Democrats Exposed|W|P|This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.10/25/2005 11:02:00 AM|W|P|Blogger Kevin from Minneapolis|W|P|No problem. I wonder if it is possible for you to track this guys IP address and block ot from posting or visiting the site. I'm not a techy, but I think that's somehow possible.10/25/2005 12:59:00 PM|W|P|Blogger ReaganBlows|W|P|You should have a public debate, you could wear a bag over your head or a Nixon or Reagan mask, your pick.10/25/2005 01:03:00 PM|W|P|Blogger Minnesota Democrats Exposed|W|P|are you calling "I hate MDE" or MDE a prick?10/25/2005 01:49:00 PM|W|P|Blogger Sean Broom|W|P|You should have a public debate, you could wear a bag over your head or a Nixon or Reagan mask, your pick.

That was quite the Freudian slip there MDE. Paranoid too?

Sean10/25/2005 02:02:00 PM|W|P|Blogger John Jordan.com|W|P|Sean,

You completely missed MDE's humor there. Not sure how he'd be paranoid.10/25/2005 02:06:00 PM|W|P|Blogger StPaul_DFLer|W|P|Humor?
Please explain.10/25/2005 02:12:00 PM|W|P|Blogger John Jordan.com|W|P|Humor?
Please explain.


Typical DFL'er - no sense of humor. :)10/25/2005 02:30:00 PM|W|P|Blogger The Lady Logician|W|P|To Sean, StPaul_DFL and the Party Opposite: It's nice to see that some people still know how to argue issues and not sling insults etc.

To I Hate MDE and Reaganblows: Maybe if you learned a lesson in dealing with people who dare to have a different opinion than you, you might get somewhere in dealing with folks like MDE and others. You also won't get like for like out of folks like Swiftee....

Just a thought.10/25/2005 07:16:00 AM|W|P|Minnesota Democrats Exposed|W|P|
"I also hope you will go to our web site to view our new television commercial that is running in every zip code in the state of Minnesota!" Source: Kelly Doran for governor email. Last week I had two extensive posts (one and two) about Kelly Doran's media buy. This was a very smart move by Doran's campaign to release this ad. Please watch Doran's ad and post your comments. |W|P|113024979914425349|W|P|DORAN'S ADS RAIN ON HATCH'S PARADE|W|P|minnesotademocratsexposed@hotmail.com10/25/2005 07:41:00 AM|W|P|Blogger I hate MDE|W|P|This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.10/25/2005 07:45:00 AM|W|P|Blogger I hate MDE|W|P|This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.10/25/2005 07:49:00 AM|W|P|Blogger I hate MDE|W|P|This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.10/25/2005 07:54:00 AM|W|P|Blogger I hate MDE|W|P|This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.10/25/2005 07:55:00 AM|W|P|Blogger Kevin from Minneapolis|W|P|This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.10/25/2005 08:12:00 AM|W|P|Blogger I hate MDE|W|P|This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.10/25/2005 08:14:00 AM|W|P|Blogger Republican Minnesota|W|P|This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.10/25/2005 08:17:00 AM|W|P|Blogger I hate MDE|W|P|This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.10/25/2005 08:21:00 AM|W|P|Blogger I hate MDE|W|P|This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.10/25/2005 08:27:00 AM|W|P|Blogger I hate MDE|W|P|This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.10/25/2005 09:04:00 AM|W|P|Blogger Sean Broom|W|P|I think that I Hate MDE should be willing to post his address as well.

And, I think the ad is very very cheesy.

Sean10/25/2005 09:11:00 AM|W|P|Blogger Republican Minnesota|W|P|i hate MDE is such a coward that they won't even allow the public to view their profile...I wonder what skeletons they have in their closet...10/25/2005 09:33:00 AM|W|P|Blogger Kevin from Minneapolis|W|P|Hey why was my post removed? I don't remember what I said, but I didn't think it was that bad.10/25/2005 07:07:00 AM|W|P|Minnesota Democrats Exposed|W|P|
The colors are off because of the lighting in the room yesterday, but Hatch's signs should look familiar to a recent campaign logo. The answer will be posted later this morning. |W|P|113024923457522438|W|P|LOOK FAMILIAR?|W|P|minnesotademocratsexposed@hotmail.com10/25/2005 07:15:00 AM|W|P|Blogger DFL Governor|W|P|Is it Bush's 2004 logo?10/25/2005 07:42:00 AM|W|P|Blogger I hate MDE|W|P|This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.10/25/2005 07:51:00 AM|W|P|Blogger StPaul_DFLer|W|P|I was going to comment on the horrible choice of colors- it looks like the cover of some romance novel, but after seeing the post above, foget it.

"ihate mde" is clearly some kid who thinks there is no limit on the means to get to the ends.

This is pretty low. Probably got the idea from the anti-abortion extremists who used to post the photo and home addresses of abortion doctors, until a couple of them were found shot at their homes.

Can't remember if the SCOTUS ruled this to be terroristic or any other federal violation. Pretty sure they did. So, again, file charges of terroristic threats, this will start an investigation (especially if you are a known republican), your perp would be found and arrested. Of course, your nae will be exposed for sure then, but at least you'll be safe from idiots.10/25/2005 08:00:00 AM|W|P|Blogger I hate MDE|W|P|another democrat defends mde? you should resign your posts.

mde has lied about democrats, people with families and kids.

victims of mde want justice.10/25/2005 08:45:00 AM|W|P|Blogger StPaul_DFLer|W|P|Hey jackass, I'm not defending MDE! It called common decency. I'm smart enough to kick the bs MDE posts here with better arguments and ideas. Only when I'm attacked or threatend physically(as the Swiftless wonder tried to do), I respond in kind.
I don't have a post with the DFL. We'd be winning more elections if I did.

Exposing the name of MDE is not offenisive and I think it could be argued as fair game. I'm not taking a position on that. Exposing personal information about someone- whom you're not even sure is the blogger, is borderling criminal.

So look at it as me looking for you, I don't want to see you go to prison. That seat is reserved for Karl Rove, Tom Delay and Dick Cheney if there is a Santa Claus.

Those guys will be in a country club, you're going to Oz. So, knock it off!10/25/2005 09:02:00 AM|W|P|Blogger Sean Broom|W|P|or you should I describe your house by the tan siding and forest green shutters?

Thats pretty clearly jumped off the tracks.

You really need to knock this shit off.

Sean10/25/2005 09:22:00 AM|W|P|Blogger Republican Minnesota|W|P|There are no victims of MDE.

He exposes Dems that are victims of the own stupidity.10/25/2005 09:50:00 AM|W|P|Blogger Sean Broom|W|P|He exposes Dems that are victims of the own stupidity.

Oh the irony.

Sean10/25/2005 10:16:00 AM|W|P|Blogger StPaul_DFLer|W|P|Republican Minnesota said...
"There are no victims of MDE. He exposes Dems that are victims of the own stupidity."

"the own stupidity." Hehe, you did that on purpose didn't you?

You know, this is why we can't debate and then come together on what's right or wrong, some ignoramous wants to take every single opportunity to stab at the opposition.

It appeaers that after I all said in defending MDE, Republican Minnesota has just put forth an argument that support the 'i hate mde' guy. Stick with this, if Micheal Brodkorb is MDE, then he has to be called to task for all of the personal shit he put up and putting up his home information, like was done to at least two people by him, is fair game because, as RepMN puts it, he's a victim of his own stupidity.

Sometimes its better to shut up and let the world assume you're a knucklehead.10/25/2005 10:30:00 AM|W|P|Blogger Mike S|W|P|This will all become so much fun when Cheney et al are indicted later this week. Will Pawlenty still stand by him as well as W?10/25/2005 02:18:00 PM|W|P|Blogger The Lady Logician|W|P|Mike S said...
This will all become so much fun when Cheney et al are indicted later this week. Will Pawlenty still stand by him as well as W?

So Mike, how can you be so sure about this? Do you have an "in" with the grand jury? If you do and you are imparting secret information (all grand jury proceedings are secret until the prosecutor releases it) then you could be sharing a cell with Mssrs Cheney et al.....10/25/2005 03:24:00 PM|W|P|Blogger Republican Minnesota|W|P|Put up or shut up StPaul_DFLer!

There is a year's worth of posts...start digging for a victim.10/26/2005 07:58:00 AM|W|P|Blogger StPaul_DFLer|W|P|Put what up?
Your obvious misinformation and language mistakes? Done. Your inability to form an argument and back it up with facts? Done.
The corruption of the GOP? Done.

I've been here for only a few days and have yet to be trumped on my posts. I've put up quite a bit and it still stands. What have you done? What can you do? What good are you?10/26/2005 07:59:00 AM|W|P|Blogger StPaul_DFLer|W|P|Oh- and the only victims here are the lightweight wannabes like yourself. At my hands, you have become a victim of no interest and little value.10/25/2005 06:54:00 AM|W|P|Minnesota Democrats Exposed|W|P|Republican Minnesota has a great summary of the media reports of Hatch's announcement.|W|P|113024860900957049|W|P|REACTION TO HATCH ANNOUNCEMENT|W|P|minnesotademocratsexposed@hotmail.com10/25/2005 10:30:00 AM|W|P|Blogger StPaul_DFLer|W|P|Hatch has got you guys really concerned. A simple scroll down your page shows an awful lot of HATCH, HATCH, HATCH.10/24/2005 12:14:00 PM|W|P|Minnesota Democrats Exposed|W|P|Stay tuned for more developments. UPDATE: Hatch will abide by the endorsement, if he can get the endorsement. "To take on Pawlenty next fall, Hatch must beat at least three other Democrats for the party's nomination. Hatch wouldn't rule out running in a primary without his party's endorsement, saying that decision will depend on caucus turnout." Source: Associated Press, October 24, 2005 |W|P|113018148056929181|W|P|MDE BREAKING NEWS: HATCH TO ABIDE BY DFL ENDORSEMENT|W|P|minnesotademocratsexposed@hotmail.com10/24/2005 12:45:00 PM|W|P|Blogger I hate MDE|W|P|This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.10/24/2005 12:52:00 PM|W|P|Blogger I hate MDE|W|P|This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.10/24/2005 01:08:00 PM|W|P|Blogger I hate MDE|W|P|This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.10/24/2005 01:08:00 PM|W|P|Blogger I hate MDE|W|P|This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.10/24/2005 01:12:00 PM|W|P|Blogger I hate MDE|W|P|This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.10/24/2005 01:35:00 PM|W|P|Blogger I hate MDE|W|P|This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.10/24/2005 01:52:00 PM|W|P|Blogger Kevin from Minneapolis|W|P|I love MDE.10/24/2005 02:39:00 PM|W|P|Blogger Jukebox Hero|W|P|Who are you "I Hate MDE?"10/24/2005 02:47:00 PM|W|P|Blogger Republican Minnesota|W|P|'i hate mde' is obviously that fat lesbian Eva Young.10/24/2005 04:10:00 PM|W|P|Blogger Sean Broom|W|P|That was not only uncalled for, it was also tacky.

You know... hypothetically, if you wanted to get rid of the source of stupidity and bigotry in this world all one would have to do is abort everyone like you.

Sean10/24/2005 04:32:00 PM|W|P|Blogger Jukebox Hero|W|P|Eva Young isn't denying she is "I Hate MDE" therefore she must be "I Hate MDE," going by the logic of the so-called exposers.10/24/2005 05:14:00 PM|W|P|Blogger Swiftee|W|P|This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.10/24/2005 05:17:00 PM|W|P|Blogger Swiftee|W|P|These drooling morons just can't get anything right.

I AM MDE

Thomas Swift
1210 Delaware Ave.
W. St. Paul MN 55118

Now what ya gonna do ya pathetic, stalking, moonbat?10/24/2005 05:45:00 PM|W|P|Blogger StPaul_DFLer|W|P|Moonbat? Drooling morons?

No wonder its too easy to kick the ass of your arguments down.10/24/2005 05:48:00 PM|W|P|Blogger Jukebox Hero|W|P|No,I am MDE10/24/2005 06:24:00 PM|W|P|Blogger StPaul_DFLer|W|P|No, I am MDE...10/24/2005 06:31:00 PM|W|P|Blogger I hate MDE|W|P|This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.10/24/2005 06:35:00 PM|W|P|Blogger StPaul_DFLer|W|P|Jesus!
This is getting serious.
Tom, you're still an ass, see how this stuff can escalate?
MDE- Now is the time for you to file a report and find out who this person is.
What if Brodkorb has a family?

Are these post tracable through the ip address?10/24/2005 06:58:00 PM|W|P|Blogger I hate MDE|W|P|This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.10/24/2005 07:33:00 PM|W|P|Blogger Swiftee|W|P|All I see is a bunch of squirming punks using the anonymity of the internet to say things that they don't have the guts to say to a mans face.

And that goes for double for you stpaul_dink.

You all think you can hide..but think again. Every time anyone leaves a message here, they leave their fingerprints; it is child's play for the site owner to track you down.

MDE I don't know what these idiots have been spewing in here, but take my word for it..behind those keyboards are nothing but scared little men.

I've fielded threats myself more than once, and in *every* instance I can report the extreme satisfaction that accompanied the witnessing of pure, pants-pissing terror take place when I granted them a up-close and personal visit.

You've got nothing to worry about, trust me.

In the mean time, just use the blogger administrator to start banning a few choice IP's.10/24/2005 08:54:00 PM|W|P|Blogger ReaganBlows|W|P|Hey you guys this was supposed to be Hatch's day, you really know how to ruin all the fun.10/25/2005 05:44:00 AM|W|P|Blogger John Jordan.com|W|P|Hey you guys this was supposed to be Hatch's day, you really know how to ruin all the fun.

Maybe Hatch is MDE.10/25/2005 07:40:00 AM|W|P|Blogger StPaul_DFLer|W|P|This is easy.
First I agree that it is the lowest of the low to post Micheal's information, personal info that is. Doesn't matter if he is MDE or not. I would say the same if it was Karl Rove. It's a chicken-shit, old south, racial discrimination move tht makes me sick.

Second, Swiftless, name the place and I'll check back here and noon, be there at 1:30pm with my camera, kick the shit out of you if you say that crap to my face and then post photos here for all to enjoy tough guy. Actually I would love that, been wanting to for a couple of years now.

So, who's hiding behind the keyboard now Tommie?

See ya at 1:30pm (its my day off so no delaying until tomorrow), bring a friend.10/25/2005 07:57:00 AM|W|P|Blogger StPaul_DFLer|W|P|Oh, Swiftless, leave the piece at home. I know you're one of the tough guys that needed conceal and carry to complete your persona.

See ya later.10/25/2005 09:00:00 AM|W|P|Blogger Sean Broom|W|P|Yo... can I come?

Sean10/25/2005 10:19:00 AM|W|P|Blogger StPaul_DFLer|W|P|It appears that I will be there alone- no response.
Now back to the task at hand, who said Hatch will abide? It appears that he said he is considering it. Clearly by the Republican reaction he is their biggest threat. Makes me want to send him a 100 bucks right now.10/25/2005 01:34:00 PM|W|P|Blogger MplsDFLer|W|P|RE: Mike Hatch and running on his own in the primary (s)

While I think that the Minnesota caucus endorsement process is important to a political party and its right to pick its own candidate, anyone can legally run in the Minnesota primary (according to the state's constitution, last I read).

Mike Hatch has the drive, apparently, and believes he has the talent and ability to handle the office of the governor. So, hey, it's a free country.

While many people, especially Minnesota Democrats, think that it was not "Minnesota nice" for Hatch to run in the 1994 primary after the endorsement process was over, or go up against an incumbent in 1990, if you attend the conventions following the caucuses ( as I have ) you quickly find out that they are run by people who manipulate the rules, love the game, and have their own agenda(s). The 2004 state precinct caucuses had a phenomenal turnout, which was exciting, but that's where "democracy" ends. The next step at the district convention is all party people, people with their special interests, who dominate the committees and who go on to the state convention level. I won't be back. One can understand why Hatch decided to go up against the endorsed candidate in 1994, John Marty, and rightly so, distinguishing himself as a Democratic moderate. I may add he almost beat Marty in the primary.

Hence, his recent statement that "depending on voter turnout" will he abide by the caucuses in spring 2006 and not run in the primary. However, he has been courting party regulars and delegates in the recent past.

My personal view on Hatch: his heart is in the right place. You may not like him, he may seem like a scrappy s.o.b. , but if you listen to one of his speeches he knows more about what government should be doing for the public, than what kind of favors government is continually doling out to the biggest donors.10/25/2005 02:16:00 PM|W|P|Blogger StPaul_DFLer|W|P|Umm sorry my Mpls friend.
Hatch can't cry the insider game thing. I too have been around for a while. The endorsement is not some Minnesota Nice thing, its the political thing to do. Either court the endorsement, or not. Doran knows he hasn't been around or active and is unfamaliar to the party people, so he runs for the primary. Hatch doesn't have that excuse. You glaze over his background. In 1990 he ran against the last DFL governor. Hatch was the Commerce Commissioner at the time- appointed by the very guy he challenged! Crying about party games is not valid because Hatch was the state party CHAIRMAN before that. Most of these longtime, game playing delegates are his people. For his ambition throughout the 90's he ran against the endorsement three times- twice for governor and once for AG. He has yet to get the delegates support sine they elected him chairman.
With the endorsement comes the party apparatus all the way to the DNC including high visibility fundraisers, access to the best consultants and etc. If he doesn't need this and thinks that he can take on Doran without it- good luck.

On the other hand, Hatch has got the Righties running for cover. YOu gotta love that. He may be an S.O.B., but he's our S.O.B., even when he doesn't need our stamp of approval.10/25/2005 02:18:00 PM|W|P|Blogger StPaul_DFLer|W|P|Oh- yeah, he also fired all of Skip Humphrey's non-lawyer employees in the AG office when he got there. Damn near every last one of them are party activist, I doubt if they will forget and forgive if there is an alternative.

It would be like if the GOP kicked out all of the politcal hacks in Auditor and SecState Offices. There would be nobody left.10/27/2005 02:33:00 PM|W|P|Blogger tom|W|P|Heh, I've been out of town but I love welcome home surprises.

Stpaul_Dink

E-mail me at tjswift@yahoo.com..can't wait!10/27/2005 02:37:00 PM|W|P|Blogger StPaul_DFLer|W|P|email you? why?
Time and place tommie, time and place.

I prefer the West or Eastside of the city- slower police response.10/27/2005 02:41:00 PM|W|P|Blogger Swiftee|W|P|e-mail me tjswift@yahoo.com for directions.

I got a minute or two to spare right now so hurry!11/06/2005 09:50:00 AM|W|P|Blogger lloydletta|W|P|This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.10/24/2005 11:48:00 AM|W|P|Minnesota Democrats Exposed|W|P|
Click on the picture above for the Republican Party of Minnesota's 2006 Hatch Issue Scorecard
Click on the picture above to learn the truth about what DFLers think of Hatch
The Republican Party of Minnesota come out swinging today and hit Hatch with a one - two punch! Using Hatch's own words and statements from DFLers about Hatch was a smart move. |W|P|113017971123198679|W|P|REPUBLICAN RESPONSE TO HATCH ANNOUNCEMENT A SOLID ONE - TWO PUNCH|W|P|minnesotademocratsexposed@hotmail.com10/24/2005 12:12:00 PM|W|P|Blogger I hate MDE|W|P|This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.10/24/2005 12:37:00 PM|W|P|Blogger ReaganBlows|W|P|Can you smell what the Hatch is cooking?10/24/2005 12:45:00 PM|W|P|Blogger I hate MDE|W|P|This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.10/24/2005 12:53:00 PM|W|P|Blogger I hate MDE|W|P|This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.10/24/2005 01:10:00 PM|W|P|Blogger I hate MDE|W|P|This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.10/24/2005 01:25:00 PM|W|P|Blogger Sean Broom|W|P|I don't care for MDE's anonymity; but knock that shit off. Even if he was Michael Brodkorb there is no reason to post his home address. Unless of course in a tit for tat, you say who you are and post your own home address.

Sean Broom10/24/2005 01:32:00 PM|W|P|Blogger I hate MDE|W|P|Sean, why are you defending this asshole?

his job is exposing and terrorizing democrats.

it's time he received his just desserts.

admit you are michael brodkorb and i will stop posting your home address and directions to your home.10/24/2005 01:42:00 PM|W|P|Blogger Sean Broom|W|P|Ever thought about hitting back instead of trolling? Hmmm? ever thought about exposing and terrorizing Republicans? I mean there is a fricking bonanza of information to work from...

Like, the associate chair of the Minnesota Republican Party knowingly oversaw a scheme where money was stolen from old ladies.

How hard is this... fight damnit! but you aren't fighting, you're bitching.

Sean10/24/2005 01:57:00 PM|W|P|Blogger I hate MDE|W|P|you wimp.10/24/2005 02:35:00 PM|W|P|Blogger Sean Broom|W|P|Holmes... it ain't that hard. What are you doing right now except getting all your posts deleted?

Nothing.

You aren't fighting back, you're flailing at the shadows.

I can't stand MDE. I hope for nothing more than to destroy Tim Pawlenty, take back the State House, expand our lead in the State Senate and win 2nd and 6th congressional districts. But what is posting MDE's supposed name and address over and over again gonna do to advance that? Knock this shit off and focus on something that isn't so damn annyoing.

But in other news, it was confirmed to me again this weekend that Karl Rove and Co. have brought up to TimPaw the possiblity of him running for Senate. With Bush's sagging approval ratings, they're concerned about running a lap dog with a lazy eye who has voted with the President 98% of the time.

Sean Broom10/24/2005 06:32:00 PM|W|P|Blogger I hate MDE|W|P|This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.10/24/2005 10:55:00 AM|W|P|Minnesota Democrats Exposed|W|P|DFL gubernatorial candidate drops bid due to lack of funds Citing a lack of campaign funds, former state Rep. Bud Philbrook today withdrew his candidacy for the Democratic-Farmer-Labor Party nomination for governor. Just three weeks after formally launching his campaign, Philbrook, 59, of Maplewood dropped out of the race. “We have failed to raise the money necessary to carry forward,” he said in a written statement. Philbrook served one term in the Minnesota Legislature in 1975-76. Since then he has founded and run Global Volunteers, a nonprofit organization that coordinates community development projects around the world. Source: Pioneer Press, October 24, 2005|W|P|113017663414953121|W|P|BREAKING NEWS: PHILBROOK ENDS CAMPAIGN|W|P|minnesotademocratsexposed@hotmail.com10/24/2005 12:13:00 PM|W|P|Blogger I hate MDE|W|P|This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.10/24/2005 09:12:00 AM|W|P|Minnesota Democrats Exposed|W|P|
I can't wait to see the Republican Party of Minnesota's hit on Hatch.
## REPUBLICAN PARTY OF MINNESOTA RESPONDS TO HATCH CAMPAIGN ANNOUNCEMENT
When: October 24, 2005 Immediately following Mike Hatch's campaign announcement Where: State Room 1 (lower level) Radisson Riverfront Hotel St. Paul 11 East Kellogg Boulevard Saint Paul Who: Minnesota Republican Party Chairman Ron Carey
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Source: Republican Party of Minnesota
|W|P|113017072631397957|W|P|REPUBLICAN RESPONSE TO HATCH ANNOUNCEMENT|W|P|minnesotademocratsexposed@hotmail.com10/24/2005 07:17:00 AM|W|P|Minnesota Democrats Exposed|W|P|Back in February, I purchased the website domain names of numerous potential DFL campaigns. My solitary goal was to use increased internet searches for these candidates to garner more traffic for Minnesota Democrats Exposed. Earlier this year, I voluntarily relinquished ownership of the domains. Minnesota Republican Watch is now reporting on my decision. The majority of this post has been in draft mode as I was waiting until the right time to announce my activity. While I and others enjoyed the publicity Minnesota Democrats Exposed received, I decided it was unfair and against my motto to keep the domain names from being used by the campaigns. Minnesota Democrats Exposed is dedicated to truthful discussion on the activities, statements, and tactics of Minnesota Democrats. I realized that if I kept the website domain names, I was preventing and not fostering a truthful discussion on Minnesota Democrats. My decision to voluntarily relinquish ownership of the domains should not be misunderstood as a repudiation of this tactic. But if I had the chance to do it over, I would not have purchased the domains. The domains purchased are available for use by the campaigns and if they have any technical problems, I encourage them to email minnesotademocratsexposed@hotmail.com. MDE |W|P|113016637165780101|W|P|A MESSAGE FROM MDE: WHERE ARE MY DOMAINS?|W|P|minnesotademocratsexposed@hotmail.com10/24/2005 09:09:00 AM|W|P|Blogger Republican Minnesota|W|P|You sir, are a great America.

I think I will name my first born after you.10/24/2005 02:01:00 PM|W|P|Blogger Minnesota Democrats Exposed|W|P|Thank you Republican Minnesota.10/24/2005 02:13:00 PM|W|P|Blogger Flash|W|P|I don't know if I would go that far*laughing*. But as I said on Centrisity today "I have a new found respect for MDE."

Flash10/24/2005 03:05:00 PM|W|P|Blogger Republican Minnesota|W|P|Is Minnesota Democrat Exposer a better name for a boy or a girl?10/24/2005 05:52:00 PM|W|P|Blogger StPaul_DFLer|W|P|Good decision.

Republican Minnesota, I've read your posts and blog, maybe you're not the one to decide who or what defines America. Gotta learn the language first.10/25/2005 08:44:00 AM|W|P|Blogger Abrogans|W|P|Hmmm.... is MDE being nice? Or did someone file for arbitration through ICANN? Since MDE's providers adhere to ICANN policies. Hatch and Klobuchar could have filed for abritration through ICANN which would have potentially exposed MDE according to the aggreeemnt with one of MDE's providers. Releasing the ownership of the domain names would have been the smartest thing to do, in order to keep his/her anonimity.10/24/2005 06:46:00 AM|W|P|Minnesota Democrats Exposed|W|P|

Mike Hatch has some nerve to tell Senate Majority Leader Dean Johnson to "stay strong on the bench." Johnson has never lost a general election, while later today Hatch will announce his third run for governor. For example in 1994, Hatch was defeated by State Senator John Marty in the DFL primary election. Marty went on to get his ass-kicked by then Governor Arne Carlson in the general election. I am sure the other DFL candidates for governor will appreciate Hatch's comment that "[t]here's only two people I know right now that can beat Tim Pawlenty, and that's Mike Hatch and Dean Johnson." I would bet the entire farm that Pawlenty will be re-elected. But Hatch's comments should be a warning to the other DFL candidates for governor that Hatch has and will continue to run a negative campaign for the DFL endorsement. ## Johnson still undecided WILLMAR -- A heavy hitter is expected to join the field of Democrats running for governor today, but Senate Majority Leader Dean Johnson will stay on the sidelines, at least for now. Attorney General Mike Hatch said in a fund-raising letter last week that he would announce his candidacy today. Hatch joins a growing field of DFL candidates who hope to challenge Republican Gov. Tim Pawlenty in the 2006 election. "I'm not gonna say I'm in and I'm out, because I don't know at this point," Johnson said Friday. Johnson said in a telephone interview that he admires Hatch, someone he's known for years. "He's clearly a strong candidate," he said. "He's a bulldog for the average person, no doubt about it." Hatch was elected attorney general in 1998 and is a former state commerce commissioner. He's run for governor twice before. Hatch came to his office in the State Capitol about a week ago, Johnson said. "He told me he was going to run, … and then he looked at me and said, 'Dean, are you going to run," Johnson said. "I said, 'What do you think?'" Hatch's words were: "There's only two people I know right now that can beat Tim Pawlenty, and that's Mike Hatch and Dean Johnson." Hatch's suggestion to him was "to stay strong on the bench," Johnson said. Johnson said he hasn't decided whether to run for a number of reasons. "I just philosophically think these statewide campaigns are far too long," he said. He did concede that a delay in getting into the race could make fund-raising more difficult. In addition, being majority leader takes "an enormous amount of time," he said. "It's a fascinating, intriguing, challenging position," he said. "There's no handbook written for this job, … there's a lot of trial and error." The job also gives him a chance to do some good things for his home area, including obtaining funding for Willmar’s new airport and for the Willmar Regional Treatment Center sale. Johnson is also a brigadier general and chaplain in the Army National Guard and a pastor at Calvary Lutheran Church in Willmar. His military workload as special assistant to the Army chief of chaplains is growing. Calvary is short-staffed now, so that demands more of his time, too. "It's not like I'm looking for something more to do," he said. However, he has received encouragement from many people. Some organizations just beginning their endorsement process have asked about his plans, too. Other DFL candidates who have announced so far include state Sen. Steve Kelley, former legislator and nonprofit founder Bud Philbrook, real estate developer Kelly Doran and frequent candidate Ole Savior. State Sen. Becky Lourey also has indicated interest. Source: West-Central Tribune, October 24, 2005

|W|P|113016327543121620|W|P|THE NERVE OF MIKE HATCH|W|P|minnesotademocratsexposed@hotmail.com10/24/2005 08:27:00 AM|W|P|Blogger Kevin from Minneapolis|W|P|I think this is more off an attempt by Hatch to shoot at Doran than a fear or concern or even urging toward Dean Johnson. Especially considering the potential Doran media blitz.10/24/2005 06:34:00 AM|W|P|Minnesota Democrats Exposed|W|P|

It feels like Christmas morning today! I found two stories discussing DFL infighting.

Please read the story below, as I will be posting a hit on this subject involving a DFL campaign later this week.

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Complaint against McLaughlin dismissed; loophole revealed?

By Scott Russell

The Anoka County Attorney's Office has dismissed an elections complaint brought against Friends of Peter McLaughlin, McLaughlin's county commissioner campaign fund.

McLaughlin said he is pleased but not surprised by the opinion.

"There was nothing there - as I said from the beginning," he said. "Unfortunately, it is hard to erase the lingering untruths inherent in these filings. I am hopeful voters will … see that I have been completely exonerated."

Ken Bradley, a supporter of Mayor R.T. Rybak's who filed the complaint, said the decision spotlights what appears to be a campaign finance law loophole.

Bradley complained Aug. 5 that McLaughlin’s County Board campaign committee inappropriately spent money in 2004 to bolster McLaughlin's mayoral bid, based in part on conversations Bradley said he had with McLaughlin campaign staff.

The Hennepin County Attorney sent the complaint to Anoka County for review to avoid conflict of interest.

McLaughlin has stated his county campaign did not spend money on his mayoral bid. However, McLaughlin wouldn’t have violated any laws if he had, according to an Oct. 13 letter to Bradley from Karen M.S. Walden, an assistant Anoka County Attorney.

"The question is whether funds raised by a political committee to support a candidate for one office may be used by that committee to support that same candidate for another office," Walden wrote. "Such conduct is not prohibited in Minnesota election law."

The law does not prevent a committee "from using its funds to support a candidate for an office other than the office originally sought," the letter said. "[No] further action will be taken."

Walden was not available to elaborate on her opinion.

The ruling means local campaign fund laws are less strict than those governing state campaigns.

Jeanne Olson, executive director of the Minnesota Campaign Finance and Public Disclosure Board, said, for example, that a state legislator running for state auditor could not use legislative-campaign funds. If such spending happened, the candidate’s fund would be fined four times the expense, Olson said.

It appears from the Anoka County opinion that local candidates have a way to skirt local campaign finance limits. The candidate could set up committees for several races, get friends and family to contribute to each - then spend all the money on one campaign.

For example, individuals can give a maximum $500 to a Minneapolis mayoral campaign in an election year. If a candidate had or set up a campaign committee for another local office, a donor could contribute the maximum to both funds, and the candidate could spend it all on his or her chosen race. Source: Skyway News, October 24, 2005

|W|P|113016146535236801|W|P|LOOPHOLE OR SMART POLITICS?|W|P|minnesotademocratsexposed@hotmail.com10/24/2005 07:50:00 AM|W|P|Blogger North Star Politics|W|P|Of course, those of us on the other side of the aisle are getting ready to celebrate Fitzmas, a day on which we will celebrate "exposed" corrupt Republicans.10/24/2005 06:19:00 AM|W|P|Minnesota Democrats Exposed|W|P|

As I have said many times before, nothing warms my heart more than DFL infighting. "When one of the neighbors asked him how he would distinguish himself from Mike Hatch, [Steve] Kelley joked, 'I actually have businesspeople who like me.'

As the group laughed, Kelley singled out his wife Sophie. 'I've been married to a businessperson for 30 years now, and my family are small businesspeople,' Kelley said." Source: Minnesota Public Radio, October 23, 2005

|W|P|113016013352477777|W|P|DFL INFIGHTING: KELLEY vs. HATCH|W|P|minnesotademocratsexposed@hotmail.com10/24/2005 07:15:00 AM|W|P|Blogger Republican Minnesota|W|P|Hatch sues big business.

Doran is big business.

Kelley supports small businesses.

Everyone keeping track?10/23/2005 05:20:00 PM|W|P|Minnesota Democrats Exposed|W|P|DORAN'S AD BUY TO FOCUS ON CABLE The latest word on the rumored $500,000 Kelly Doran for Governor ad buy is that it will be focused largely on cable TV. Cable rates are a fraction the cost of network TV spots (because cable continues to be fragmented and delivers a fraction of the viewers), but that means the number of ads in the buy will be enormous. We've also learned that the ad buy will last approximately three weeks. It will be interesting to see how Doran segments out the buy. Will he go for sports fans on ESPN? Women watching Lifetime? Seniors checking out the Weather Channel? Doran's camp could also choose certain suburban and Greater Minnesota markets with much greater precision than they could do on network TV. I can hardly wait to watch these Democrats climbing all over one another. Looks like a fun week coming up.|W|P|113011351234949947|W|P|MDE EXCLUSIVE: MORE ON DORAN'S IMPENDING SPENDING SPREE|W|P|minnesotademocratsexposed@hotmail.com10/23/2005 10:13:00 AM|W|P|Minnesota Democrats Exposed|W|P|Governor Pawlenty's re-election website has been officially activated. www.timpawlenty.com. Pawlenty's website has up and running for more than a week. My compliments to Pawlenty's campaign staff for a job well done.|W|P|113008766472309707|W|P|PAWLENTY FOR GOVERNOR WEBSITE|W|P|minnesotademocratsexposed@hotmail.com10/23/2005 08:42:00 PM|W|P|Blogger StPaul_DFLer|W|P|Eva Young has exposed MDe as Micheal Brodkorb. Say it so Joe!10/23/2005 08:43:00 PM|W|P|Blogger StPaul_DFLer|W|P|Man, leave it to me to screw my own line. I meant to say, "Say it ain't so, Joe!"10/23/2005 08:56:00 PM|W|P|Blogger Minnesota Democrats Exposed|W|P|A MESSAGE FROM MDE
Minnesota Democrats Exposed is a blog dedicated to a truthful discussion on the activities, statements and tactics of Minnesota Democrats.

I choose to exercise my First Amendment right to remain anonymous. Minnesota Democrats Exposed is, and always will be published anonymously. I will never confirm nor deny my true identity.

I have never used my right to remain anonymous as cover to post lies or false information.10/23/2005 10:44:00 PM|W|P|Blogger Toby|W|P|I have posted an entry on my blog that greatly expands what was in Eva Young's entry for those interested.

I do like that non-denial denial though, MDE. Learn that from Scott McClellan? :)10/22/2005 02:57:00 PM|W|P|Minnesota Democrats Exposed|W|P|Mike Hatch goes from his campaign announcement... Oct. 24. 1:30 p.m. HATCH ANNOUNCEMENT Attorney General Mike Hatch announces his campaign for governor at the Minnesota Nurses Association Annual Convention. Location: Radisson Riverfront, Minnesota Ballroom, St. Paul Contacts: Kari Erickson, (651) 221-0881 Source: AP Daybook to defending two girls who survived a plane crash that killed their mother. Oct. 24. 3 p.m. PLANE CRASH CASE Attorney General Mike Hatch appears in court to argue the case of two girls who survived a plane crash that killed their mother. The company that insured the airplane denied the girls coverage. Location: U.S. District Court, courtroom 12W, 300 S. Fourth St., Minneapolis Contacts: Leslie Sandberg (Attorney General Mike Hatch), (651) 296-2069 Source: AP Daybook ## This is unbelievable. Hatch times his announcement for governor to coincide with his appearance in court only ninety minutes later. Hatch wants the media coverage of his campaign kick-off to include him defending two little girls who lost their mother in a tragic plane crash.|W|P|113001959116498658|W|P|HATCH TO USE DEAD MOTHER AS CAMPAIGN PROP|W|P|minnesotademocratsexposed@hotmail.com10/22/2005 03:48:00 PM|W|P|Blogger Republican Minnesota|W|P|Not a surprise...the man is scum.10/22/2005 08:28:00 PM|W|P|Blogger North Star Politics|W|P|Mike Hatch has a job to do, a job that no Republican has the spine to do, as the voters acknowledged in 2002. Republicans would undoubtedly let this horrific act on the part of the insurance company slide, while Hatch is going to do something about it. The campaign be damned - Hatch is defending people no Republican would bother with.10/23/2005 11:54:00 AM|W|P|Blogger StPaul_DFLer|W|P|Hatch's announcement has been set for late October since the Spring.

Not sure if that helps or hurt, but I've known since the spring that it will be in late October. He stuck to it in spite of the other Gubernatorial candidates pushing the date earlier to draw him out.10/22/2005 11:24:00 AM|W|P|Minnesota Democrats Exposed|W|P|
Mike Hatch's website needs some work. Steve Kelly and Kelly Doran's websites are much better and provide more information about the candidate and their campaigns. |W|P|113000546237992071|W|P|HATCH FOR GOVERNOR WEBSITE NEEDS WORK|W|P|minnesotademocratsexposed@hotmail.com10/22/2005 07:49:00 AM|W|P|Minnesota Democrats Exposed|W|P|There is a new DFL blog with an ingenious name: DFL Blog. One of the authors, Toby, has been a frequent visitor to Minnesota Democrats Exposed. I hope Toby doesn't mind me publicly thanking him for providing me with technical advice during one of the numerous times I had problems with Minnesota Democrats Exposed.|W|P|112999402995824512|W|P|NEW DFL BLOG|W|P|minnesotademocratsexposed@hotmail.com10/22/2005 01:14:00 PM|W|P|Blogger Toby|W|P|Not a problem MDE, thanks for the mention. Let me know anytime you need help with HTML.10/21/2005 02:47:00 PM|W|P|Minnesota Democrats Exposed|W|P|

It's no secret that man most obsessed with becoming governor is going to make it official on Monday. But remember that you heard the details here on Minnesota Democrats Exposed first.

WHAT: Hatch for Governor announcement WHEN: Monday, October 24, 1:30 p.m. WHERE: Radisson Riverfront, Minnesota Ballroom (lower level), St. Paul

Hatch is making his announcement at the Minnesota Nurses Association annual convention (http://www.mnnurses.org). Good thing. With all of the damage Hatch took on from his failed Medica lawsuit (that was the suit the judge called "unproven and without merit") he could probably use some good nursing care.

|W|P|112993125658982156|W|P|MDE EXCLUSIVE: DETAILS ON HATCH ANNOUNCEMENT|W|P|minnesotademocratsexposed@hotmail.com10/21/2005 01:47:00 PM|W|P|Minnesota Democrats Exposed|W|P|I just received this press release. ## Senate Republican Leader Dick Day Denounces Dirty Campaign Tactics in Senate District 43 Special Election Democrats Dirty Tricks Undermine Integrity and Public Trust in the Political Process, Says Day (St. Paul) Today Senate Republican Leader Dick Day (R-Owatonna) denounced dirty campaign tactics being used by Democrats in Senate District 43, where a special election is scheduled for November 22 to fill a vacancy created by the appointment of Senator David Gaither to serve as Governor Pawlenty's Chief of Staff. Reports of "push-polling", an opinion poll conducted with loaded questions or offering negative information to sway the opinions of those polled, have surfaced throughout Senate District 43 in recent days. Those receiving calls have reported false attacks against Plymouth Mayor Judy Johnson, the endorsed Republican in the race. Questions targeting Johnson have included false or misleading information regarding issues such as Local Government Aid levels, police and fire personnel levels, and City of Plymouth tax rates during Johnson's term as Mayor. Other question implied that blame for the timing and cost of a special election falls squarely on Johnson's shoulders. When reached for comment, Johnson - who has pledged to run a positive campaign - was surprised and disappointed to hear that negative tactics such as push-polling were taking place. "These push-poll calls seek to not only undermine my service to the citizens of Plymouth, but my character and integrity as well," said Johnson. "I was very hopeful that this would be a clean, positive campaign on the issues most important to the residents of Senate District 43. These types of negative campaign tactics simply undermine the process as a whole, and lead to voter apathy. I have worked hard to cultivate broad support from Republicans, Independents and Democrats alike, which is why I am so surprised by these attacks." "One question claims that under my watch, Plymouth's tax rate has risen. This is patently false," Johnson continued. "In fact, during my time as Mayor, Plymouth's tax rate has decreased every year. Plymouth has the lowest tax rate of all cities in Minnesota with populations over 25,000, and the fourth lowest tax rate for cities over 10,000." Another question claims that under Johnson's watch, the number of police officers in Plymouth has been cut. In fact, Plymouth’s total police budget has risen from $6.5 million in 2002 to over $8 million in 2005, increasing the number of sworn officers by six. "Through Mayor Johnson's leadership, she and the City Council have been staunch supporters of our City's public safety efforts. Their support affords us the opportunity to offer professional, comprehensive and prudent police services to this community, making Plymouth a safe place to live, work, and recreate," said Plymouth Police Chief Mike Goldstein. "Once again, we're seeing that some Democrats only think they can win elections by resorting to underhanded smear tactics," said Day. "When those Democrats don't have any ideas of their own, they resort to lying to the voters, plain and simple. Fortunately, from my years in politics I've learned you can't scare your way into office."
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|W|P|112992805113090025|W|P|DFL DIRTY TRICKS IN SD 43? #2|W|P|minnesotademocratsexposed@hotmail.com10/21/2005 07:39:00 PM|W|P|Blogger North Star Politics|W|P|Republicans ALWAYS use this little gem to either try to paint the DFLers as bad guys during an election or whiningly rationalize their losses afterwards. Republicans constantly engage in the same thing, only to a much higher degree. It's the purest form of hypocrisy: to a Republican, turnabout is not fair play.10/21/2005 08:32:00 PM|W|P|Blogger Minnesota Democrats Exposed|W|P|I would like an example.10/22/2005 04:58:00 AM|W|P|Blogger John Jordan.com|W|P|I've seen such things personally. In one of my campaigns, a blue van was out stealing my signs. In fact, one morning they were particularly stupid. My neighbor called me at 6:30 am saying "there's a van out front stealing your sign!". Sure enough, he had a van full of my signs. I ran out and he took off. Turned out he'd been busy for hours stealing maybe 25-35 of them around my neighborhood.

Why do some DFL'ers think it's necessary to cheat? Because they view politics as sport. Stealing signs or doing push polls aren't "cheating" to them, it's "just politics". There is no moral center in many of these people to stop them from discerning the difference between right and wrong. There isn't "right and wrong", only wins and losses.

Power is corrupting and some of these people will do anything they have to to get it and keep it.

Republicans constantly engage in the same thing, only to a much higher degree.

This is not accurate. It's a deflection of reality to try and say "they're just like us" when it's just not true. In my first House campaign I told my volunteers - "you will not cheat and if I find you did you will no longer be associated with this campaign". I had several democrats who helped me and they witnessed me stating this emphatically. Cheating in campaigns is repugnant and is always wrong no matter who does it.10/22/2005 08:23:00 AM|W|P|Blogger Mike S|W|P|Push polling is when you lie or use a "If you knew candidate X did _____, would that make you more or less liklely to vote for them; and your ____ phrase is not something they did but is trying to attach it to the candidate anyway. The Rybak campaign is complaining about an alleged push poll in Minneapolis too, but has no proof it happend.

My guess, the poll was worded just so, so that it is both technically acurate but could also be misleading. Competative campaigns use many checks to ensure they are not lieing, because the bad press you get from that is much worse than the small positive you get from the lie.

Also, everyone steals signs. Campaigners on both sides hate it because it just makes more busy work for them to get them back up.10/22/2005 04:47:00 PM|W|P|Blogger John Jordan.com|W|P|Also, everyone steals signs.

Why do you assume all campaigns are cheaters? That's a smear that just not true.

My campaigns never stole signs. Campaigns I've worked on never stole signs (local or state). And I've even worked with a local candidate that was a democrat.

I hate it not because it's busy work. I hate it because it's against the law and it's wrong to do. Period. If you work on a campaign that does that, you should inform the candidate, release the volunteer from service and consider turning them into the police. It should not be taken so lightly. It is against the very principles of American democracy. I'm shocked anyone could even think of defending it.10/23/2005 12:29:00 PM|W|P|Blogger StPaul_DFLer|W|P|Republicans here use it all the time. I can give examples from each year. This year? The Saint Paul chamber paid the Republicans to do it for Randy Kelly. I got a call and asked who's calling and was told it was from "RPM". I asked the caller if the republicans are calling for Randy Kelly now and she said "I guess so". Anyway, they asked who I was voting for mayor. When I said Coleman, they asked would I still vote for Coleman if I knew he was planning on raising taxes after Kelly has held the line for..."
In 2004, there were too many to count. In 2003, there was a special election in Maple Grove and RPM was caught push polling people about the DFL candidate and mismanagement of the police pension. They left the part out where he (DFLer) was the whistle-blower and exposed the mismanagement! Nice.

In 2002 RPM was out and about doing it for Pawlenty with the tax scare (lot of good that got us), and Coleman, reminding people of Wellstone's promise (until the crash, then they pulled the call).

It will take me a few minutes to remember more but those are the ones that stand out.

In this case, the DFL candidate is pissed about this and personally ready to walk away from this. The poll was done by the Senate Caucus independent of the candidate's input. Just the RPM polls.10/23/2005 12:33:00 PM|W|P|Blogger StPaul_DFLer|W|P|I wonder if Mr Jordan has denounced any of the GOP push-polling?

I haven't watched his campaigns but I'm sure that he's aware at how angry some of his colleagues get when push-polling is done on their behalf.

Am I right? Did you talk to the MNGOP about unnecessary tactics, or is this outrage reserved for DFLers only?10/23/2005 03:56:00 PM|W|P|Blogger John Jordan.com|W|P|Am I right? Did you talk to the MNGOP about unnecessary tactics, or is this outrage reserved for DFLers only?

It wasn't done for me so I can't speak to what the Party does for others.

I was speaking to illegal activities and I have stated here quite clearly that no matter who does it them, they're wrong.

Generally speaking, though, I have seen cheating by DFL'ers for years and rarely see it by Republicans. Not because I look the other way, I'd denounce it no matter. I just haven't seen it.

Who's the last legislator to be caught and convicted of cheating? Oh, that's right, the hybrid-driving lib Phyllis Con ... er ...Kahn.10/23/2005 07:47:00 PM|W|P|Blogger StPaul_DFLer|W|P|Jordan wrote:
---Generally speaking, though, I have seen cheating by DFL'ers for years and rarely see it by Republicans. Not because I look the other way, I'd denounce it no matter. I just haven't seen it...Who's the last legislator to be caught and convicted of cheating? Oh, that's right, the hybrid-driving lib Phyllis Con ... er ...Kahn.----

Well, umm let's see?
There's the GOP vs GOP lawsuit over in Carver County over the lying to the public(Was the guy name Knight or McKnight?)
The fmr. State Party Chair, Ron Ebinsteiner, was INDICTED for cheating last year.
Tim Pawlenty was slapped with the biggest fine in Mn history for cheating.
I forget the deputy Commerce Commissioner's name, but he was also the Treasurer for Pawlentys' campaign, indicted and resigned.
More? I got 'em. Just ask.

Generally speaking, you seem to have selective memory. Very selective.

Nice that you disown your party actions when they do the same things you complain about the DFL doing. For some reason, your observations seem to just go after DFLers across the board, your party does the same of worse- you're ready to express some individuality.
Can't have it both ways.

By the way, that's my second post with real examples. You've given one or two. Can you match mine number to number?
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Thanks to MDE for letting me write without censorship. All partisanship aside- its cool of you.10/24/2005 06:00:00 PM|W|P|Blogger StPaul_DFLer|W|P|OK- its settled. With the examples I provided AND the example the national Republicans are setting, its safe and accurate to say that the Republicans are the party of dirty tricks and cheaters.

Oh yeah- there was one example of
Phyllis Kahn taking campaign lit. Well, we can't be perfect across the board.10/21/2005 01:35:00 PM|W|P|Minnesota Democrats Exposed|W|P|I received this earlier today. -----Original Message----- From: XXXX XXXXXX Sent: Friday, October 21, 2005 8:43 AM To: minnesotademocratsexposed@hotmail.com Subject: Push Polling by DFL candidate Thought you might want to know this. My wife was contacted by phone by a man claiming to be doing a survey. He asked her a few questions about her opinions about Judy Johnson (R Plymouth) and her opponent Terri Bonoff (DFL). He then began to tell her negative things about Johnson and positive things about Bonoff and then asked her if her opinions changed. Classic Push Polling techniques. The guy claimed to be from a Colorado firm. We sent Judy Johnson an email describing this phone call. |W|P|112992705899614108|W|P|DFL DIRTY TRICKS IN SD 43?|W|P|minnesotademocratsexposed@hotmail.com10/21/2005 10:47:00 AM|W|P|Minnesota Democrats Exposed|W|P|

Insiders are buzzing that failed U.S. Senate candidate turned gubernatorial candidate Kelly Doran may be planning to unleash a barrage of radio and TV advertisements next week.

The figure being tossed around is $500,000.

In Minnesota, a half-a-million dollar ad buy is pretty big. If he's buying ads in the Duluth, Rochester and Fargo/Moorhead markets, in addition to the Twin Cities, Doran's $500,000 could go a long way.

The big ad campaign would put a serious damper on Mike "Double Expletive" Hatch's first week in the race. Hatch is no doubt expecting a week-long love fest from the media types who have been dreaming of his entrance into the race. But we all know that $500,000 in ads will get a lot more attention that Hatch's non-surprise announcement that he's running for Governor (now for the third time).

Dane Smith reported on the Doran ad buy rumor in Thursday's Star Tribune:
"[Doran] Campaign officials refused to confirm rumors that he's poised to release a barrage of TV or radio ads in the next couple of weeks."

Side notes: Do you think that Doran Campaign Chief of Staff John Wodele is getting paid a percentage of the ad buy? And how big is Doran's campaign staff if his Campaign Manager goes by the title "Chief of Staff"?

|W|P|112991687673558090|W|P|KELLY DORAN READY TO UNLEASH HIS MILLIONS?|W|P|minnesotademocratsexposed@hotmail.com10/21/2005 11:32:00 AM|W|P|Blogger Kevin from Minneapolis|W|P|I think this would be a great move by Doran. Money is obviously not a problem for him, so go for it.

Hatch's announcement will receive big news coverage and probably will be considered the start of the race, not just within the DFL but in the general sense as well.

Such a huge ad buy would obviously get attention, but it also plants Doran solidly in the 2 spot on the DFL side, ahead of Kelley, Lourey or whomever else.

Obviously, Doran would rather be in the number 1 spot, where Hatch will be, but this will make him the clear alternative and be a big boost to his campaign.10/21/2005 08:33:00 AM|W|P|Minnesota Democrats Exposed|W|P|Republican Minnesota has been leading the charge against Hatch for using an expletive to describe Marianne Short, a lawyer involved with Hatch's failed attempt to sue Medica. Hatch's answers to questions about the incident have been inconsistent: "I'd do it again" - Mike Hatch when describing his version of using foul language to describe Marianne Short, a former appea[l]s court judge. (Source, Midmorning with Keri Miller, August 23, 2005) Source: Republican Minnesota But then Hatch claims he didn't use it, or did he claim his did?

"That setback, however, has been eclipsed by repercussions from Hatch's conversation with Rice, about which Marianne Short questioned Hatch during the trial.

Short, a former state Court of Appeals judge and daughter of the late DFL businessman and politician Bob Short, asked Hatch if he recalled using two expletives in referring to her.

'No, nope, I did not,' Hatch replied.

Short: 'You did not use that language?

Hatch: 'No, absolutely not. I did use the word ..... but not as a noun, as a verb.'" Source: Star Tribune, October 20, 2005

|W|P|112990964732744889|W|P|"COUNTDOWN TO A FLIP-FLOP" #8|W|P|minnesotademocratsexposed@hotmail.com10/21/2005 08:59:00 AM|W|P|Blogger Jukebox Hero|W|P|Isn't using a word in any form, be it noun, verb, adverb, etc., still using that type of language?10/21/2005 07:22:00 AM|W|P|Minnesota Democrats Exposed|W|P|

According to the Associated Press: "Two waitresses at a downtown bar have commenced a lawsuit against the St. Paul Winter Carnival, several members of the 2005 Vulcan Krewe and others after the women were allegedly groped by then Vulcan King Thomas Trudeau."

Back in 2002, Minnesota Attorney General Mike Hatch held numerous campaign events at Alary's bar in St. Paul. Alary's website, www.alarys.com, did have pictures of female staff in provocative and sexually suggestive positions. These pictures defined sexual exploitation and Alary's could be called a cheap version of Hooters.

Now that Hatch is running for governor, he should apologize for using Alary's to host his campaign events. For background information, please click on the links below. Mike Hatch and the Girls of Alary's More of Mike Hatch and the Girls of Alary's None of these pictures are safe for work, but this is where Mike Hatch likes to hold campaign events. Picture #1 Picture #2 Picture #3 Picture #4 Picture #5 Picture #6 Picture #7 Picture #8|W|P|112990466072131513|W|P|MORE AND MORE OF MIKE HATCH AND THE GIRLS OF ALARY'S|W|P|minnesotademocratsexposed@hotmail.com10/21/2005 08:15:00 AM|W|P|Blogger Republican Minnesota|W|P|C'mon, how can you blame him?10/21/2005 08:30:00 AM|W|P|Blogger John Jordan.com|W|P|Can you imagine what they'd do if Pawlenty had ever associated himself with such a place? Nick Coleman would have had to take a field trip to check it out and write bad things about him.10/21/2005 08:31:00 AM|W|P|Blogger Jukebox Hero|W|P|Thanks for posting the pictures MDE.10/21/2005 10:45:00 AM|W|P|Blogger Toby|W|P|You're right MDE, women should not be allowed to express their sexuality and make some money. They should be at home, barefoot and pregnant! Those Jezebels!

Why don't you come back when you actually have proof that Hatch did anything wrong there?

Is Norm Coleman in the same boat as Hatch because his wife posed for Very similar photos ("provocative and sexually suggestive positions")?10/21/2005 11:35:00 AM|W|P|Blogger Kevin from Minneapolis|W|P|Toby,

No politician, that anyone knows of, was in the boat. As far as we know it was just the Vikings, some close friends and some hoores.

Joking aside, it's one thing for a person's wife to give sexy pictures, especially when she's an "actress" and I use the term loosely. It's another thing for a major politician to hang out at a T and A bar.10/21/2005 11:58:00 AM|W|P|Blogger Minnesota Democrats Exposed|W|P|I am agree with Party Oppostite. Hatch chose Alary's as a place to hold his fundraisers.

It was wrong.10/21/2005 01:07:00 PM|W|P|Blogger Toby|W|P|I wasn't talking about the Vikings and the hookers. MDE posted a story about the Vulcan King sexually assaulting women followed by a paragraph about Hatch going to the same bar. I don't think anybody mentioned the Vikings in this at all...

I do, however, think that MDE loves browsing the Alary's website and posting pictures from it.

I can't believe I'm trying to defend Hatch, I want him to lose the DFL nomination more than any of you.10/21/2005 06:07:00 PM|W|P|Blogger Kevin from Minneapolis|W|P|"Is Norm Coleman in the same boat as Hatch because his wife posed for"

Toby, I was making a joke. How come liberals don't get my jokes? lol10/23/2005 11:50:00 AM|W|P|Blogger StPaul_DFLer|W|P|Laurie Coleman's activities are not relevant as Norm is already married to her.

So let me get this straight, you are blaming Hatch for having a fundraiser at a bar that had yet to get in trouble for hosting an event thta led to the sexually harrassment of a couple of the employees?

Alarys didn't harrass the girls, the very pro-Coleman and Kelly Vulcans did. The girls were working within the law and some patrons got too excited and violated their freedom. I'm sure Republicans can understand why the women are upset.

With MDE's analogy, the DFL was right on a couple of years ago when they ran the commericial that Pawlenty's bugdet cuts allowed for violent sex offenders to be released (budget cuts for the County Attorneys and Attorney Generals offices that oversee the offenders).

C'mon you guys are making this too easy with my first post.10/20/2005 09:25:00 AM|W|P|Minnesota Democrats Exposed|W|P|

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|W|P|112982594815742934|W|P|DID HATCH USE STAR TRIBUNE PHOTO IN CAMPAIGN BROCHURE? #2|W|P|minnesotademocratsexposed@hotmail.com10/20/2005 12:37:00 PM|W|P|Blogger Kevin from Minneapolis|W|P|Minnesota Republican Watch doesn't allow comments, so I thought I would post here that Bill Walsh's wife, Donna, died last evening.

I bring up MRW because they mention him in a recent article on Governor Pawlenty's staff. I thought this would let them know that if they had any more plans for the story, maybe they could call off the dogs for a while so this guy can greive.10/20/2005 12:57:00 PM|W|P|Blogger Minnesota Democrats Exposed|W|P|Please email me offline to discuss your comments.10/20/2005 01:06:00 PM|W|P|Blogger Toby|W|P|MDE, I assume you have the permission from the Strib when you republish their stories, as you have done this countless times. I would never want to call you a hypocrite, so I'll give you the chance now to produce the letter or e-mail giving you permission. Feel free to forward it to me at dflblog@gmail.com. (I also think you should check your compliance on a number of those)10/20/2005 01:21:00 PM|W|P|Blogger Kevin from Minneapolis|W|P|MDE,
were you talk to me or Toby about emailing you offline?10/20/2005 01:45:00 PM|W|P|Blogger Abrogans|W|P|Toby,

Try googling "Fair Use Doctrine" and you might be suprised as to what you find. Although, as I stated in another post, reposting entire articles is usually a no - no. Especially, if no commentary is offered up. One could also argue that this is site is for commercial gain due to the fact that MDE sells products on his site, in which case, the fair use doctrine goes out the window. But obviously, the Strib's legal department has been here and and seen what is here. If they had a problem with it, they probably would have made mention of more than a single picture to her/him in there communications with him/her.10/20/2005 02:40:00 PM|W|P|Blogger Minnesota Democrats Exposed|W|P|Party Opposite: Bill Walsh's wife did not die last evening.

Her name is not Donna, and damn you for posting this false information on Minnesota Democrats Exposed.10/20/2005 03:50:00 PM|W|P|Blogger Toby|W|P|Abrogans,
The point that I was making was that MDE was calling out Mike Hatch for not following the Strib guidelines. "Fair Use" is hardly the entire article with highlighting as commentary, especially if MDE is just recycling the article. I'm sure the Strib doesn't really care, and neither do I, for that matter.

MDE,

Are you saying that Bill Walsh has a secret second wife who may or may not have recently passed away? More importantly, can you prove definitively that he doesn't have a secret second spouse? All that I'm saying is maybe one of his wives is named Donna. :)10/20/2005 05:03:00 PM|W|P|Blogger Kevin from Minneapolis|W|P|My apologies to MDE, the Walshes and MRW.

It appreas I had my Walsh families confused. I meant absolutely no harm and I sincerely apologize for the mistake.10/21/2005 06:11:00 AM|W|P|Blogger Sean Broom|W|P|Thanks!

I mean it. Really. You just proved my point Pouty Operative. you spread false information, and you aren't culpable. You have no responsibility to say the truth, to check your sources because you face no penalty if you're wrong. You have no culpability, so no reason to make sure that what you say is right. If you post something incorrect, or exaggerated you're hidden behind the handy veil of anonymity on the internet. You don't have any penalty for being wrong.

Good job, and keep it up.

Sean Broom10/21/2005 06:42:00 AM|W|P|Blogger Kevin from Minneapolis|W|P|Sean,

You certainly have every reason to think I have no penalty for my confusion over the information I received yesterday. But you are wrong.

I received an email from someone I know with the last name Walsh who referred to a Bill losing his wife. Because of obvious connections, I put the two together and assumed the person was Bill Walsh. Unfortunately and fortunately, I was horribly wrong.

But to say I come through this unscathed is incorrect and a hasty assumption on your part, because you assume that just because I am anonymous here means I am anonymous everywhere. Not that I begrudge you for thinking that, it would be unfair of me seeing as you would have had no idea of that.

Also, I feel great stupidity for myself that I spread false information about someone's life.10/21/2005 08:33:00 AM|W|P|Blogger John Jordan.com|W|P|You have no responsibility to say the truth, to check your sources because you face no penalty if you're wrong.

What about all the non-sense you post that's wrong?

Still waiting for your definition of "fundamentalist", and answers to the questions about whether or not you think conservatives are stupid and if you think you're smarter than them.10/21/2005 10:18:00 AM|W|P|Blogger Sean Broom|W|P|But moreover, and it's not that hard John-- I'm culpable for what I do and say. If I were to write on here that I helped Tim Pawlenty hide to body of a coked-up hooker he accidentally killed, it would be me Sean Broom, who you could say was wrong. Who you could say, spread false information. Me. See thats easy. I put my name behind my words. If I'm wrong, it stands against me. Not against some anonymous screen name, but rather me. I don't spread things that are false warmed by the securirty blanket that is anonymity.

Whether you think its wrong or not is another argument in its entirety, but that argument is easy, because you think *I* am wrong. Not some stupid name like AnyonymousNorthernLiberalWankyDebator, rather Sean.

As for my definition of Fundamentalist, its easy, take a long look in the mirror, sniff your self and you've found out what I think a fundamentalist is.

Notice, I've never said christian fundamentalist, thats just something you've started screaming about yourself. So, do you play the victim game much John.

*sniff sniff*

I don't know about your second question as I never read it and don't know the context or situation. I think there are lots of very intelligent conservatives in this world. I enjoy a good go round with any of 'em.

Do I think I'm smarter than they are?

What kind of bullshit is this? I'm a moron John. A little shithead twenty something, no I don't think I am smarter than every conservative out there. And it's pretty clear I've gotten under your skin buddy, just relax, go eat children for lunch or something, and take a joke.

Sean