10/30/2005 02:37:00 PM|W|P|Minnesota Democrats Exposed|W|P|
Coleen Rowley is out of control and she should apologize for these comments:
"I think what happened on 9/11 allowed the administration ... to pursue policies of prisoner abuse, violation of civil liberties..."
Democrats are becoming increasingly concerned about Rowley's comments:
"She needs to develop some discipline in how she talks, and what she talks about," Blois Olson.
Back in September a DFLer in the 2nd Congressional District, who at the time was no longer supporting Rowley's candidacy, provided me with information to expose Rowley.
FBI whistleblower Rowley tries to adapt to campaign trail
MONTGOMERY, Minn. (AP) Coleen Rowley on the campaign trail sounds a lot like Coleen Rowley the FBI whistleblower.
The former special agent who earned national renown in 2002 for scathing critiques of the bureau's pre-9/11 intelligence failures has brought the same blunt, gritty style to her fledgling run for Congress. She's trying to topple a Republican incumbent who, she argues, is too closely tied to President Bush, especially in his support for the Iraq war.
"This was a lied-into war that is a quagmire now," Rowley recently told a group of Democrats gathered in a garage in this small town south of the Twin Cities, a car on blocks off to one side. "It could be worse than Vietnam. The truth is we can't win, and there's still an ongoing deception."
Rowley's celebrity - she's been on the cover of Time magazine twice, including as a Person of the Year in 2002, and is a frequent guest on cable talk shows - is the key factor in what's expected to be national Democratic support for her effort to unseat Rep. John Kline, who's not well-known outside the 2nd Congressional District.
But Rowley's harsh rhetoric, lack of polish and independent streak have some observers worried about an important race in the Democratic effort to wrest control of Congress from Republicans.
"We're still early here, but I think among Democrats it's fair to say they're disappointed that the campaign hasn't created more momentum," said Blois Olson, a Democratic consultant and co-publisher of the newsletter Politics in Minnesota. "I think there's some naivete about the process."
Rowley's third-quarter fundraising, $80,000 to Kline's $230,000, disappointed many Minnesota Democrats. There's also concern about what some see as an obsession with national security issues in a district that leans Republican.
"She needs to develop some discipline in how she talks, and what she talks about," Olson said.
Rowley supporters point out that the election is more than a year off. "She's just getting going," said Jeanne Thomas, chairwoman of the Democratic Party in fast-growing Scott County, a major suburban base in the 2nd District. "It's hard when you're a first-time candidate."
Rowley is well aware of the criticisms. She said she's been told to cut her often rambling stump speeches, and to stick to two or three campaign themes.
"I, unfortunately, am probably constitutionally incapable of that," said Rowley, who is 50. "And even if I could, I wouldn't want it. It's boring. I think most people don't like that slick, polished politician. I'm not that way anyway, and why should I start now?"
It was a refusal to censor herself that brought Rowley into the spotlight. As the legal counsel in the Minneapolis FBI office in 2001, Rowley was part of efforts by agents there to investigate Zacarias Moussaoui, who was arrested in Minnesota prior to Sept. 11 after he raised suspicions at a local flight school.
Minneapolis agents felt that FBI bureaucrats in Washington impeded the investigation, prompting Rowley a few months after the attacks to write a blistering memo to FBI Director Robert Mueller that laid out the lapses in detail.
Soon Rowley was testifying before the U.S. Senate, and winning acclaim for her refusal to toe the bureau's party line.
Rowley wrote another memo to Mueller a few months later criticizing the intelligence cited by the Bush administration in its decision to invade Iraq. That memo wasn't as well-received by her fellow Minneapolis agents, and Rowley was forced to leave the position of legal counsel in her last few months with the FBI.
Democrats first approached Rowley about running against Kline in 2004, but she passed. She retired at the end of that year, and spent time traveling the country to speak on ethical decision-making, one of her passions.
When Democrats approached her again this year, Rowley decided to go for it. While allowing that her newfound fame is what makes the run for Congress possible, Rowley said she's not pursuing the seat to settle scores.
"I don't see it as anything I did as much as the events themselves," said Rowley, who says she voted for Bush in 2000 and supported Kline in the past. "I think what happened on 9/11 allowed the administration ... to pursue policies of prisoner abuse, violation of civil liberties, the whole Iraq war - things I was concerned about for my whole career."
While unmistakably intelligent and forceful in her views, Rowley sometimes loses audiences with winding speeches that can stray far off-topic. At a recent meeting of a senior citizens group in one Twin Cities suburb, a tangent on civil liberties slid into a lengthy discourse on the Church Committee, a '70s-era group convened to uncover U.S.-backed assassination plots against foreign leaders.
Rowley also has been criticized for not hiring experienced campaign staff, but she said in the next few months she'll bring in a campaign manager with experience in running big-media campaigns. She said she intends to raise about $2 million for the race.
The 2nd District includes suburbs south and west of the Twin Cities, and stretches south into several mostly rural counties. A goal for the Rowley campaign will be to reach out to moderate Republican women in the suburbs, by stressing Kline's close allegiance to the administration and the scandal-plagued House Republican leadership.
"She's so articulate," said Marge Schammel, an Apple Valley retiree who attended a Rowley house party recently, even though she's a Republican.
Schammel supported Kline in the past, but said she's undecided about her vote next year. "I'm going to be watching his record," she said.
Kline has had little to say publicly about Rowley's candidacy. "We are not in campaign mode yet," said Angelyn Shapiro, his spokeswoman.
Many of Rowley's character traits aren't negatives. A mother of four and, recently, a grandmother for the first time, she's down-to-earth, self-deprecating and a weekly churchgoer who still competes in - and often wins - triathlons. An Iowa native with ancestral roots in Minnesota's 2nd District, Rowley still speaks with a pronounced Midwestern honk.
Discounting her outspoken opposition to the war and visceral dislike of the Bush administration, Rowley is a political moderate who describes herself as a deficit hawk and points to her FBI record to prove her mettle on law-and-order issues.
Rowley often jokes about the criticism she got for her somewhat disheveled appearance when she testified before the U.S. Senate. But she seems to have taken such remarks to heart as well - she's since replaced her oversized aviator eyeglasses with a smaller pair, and has adopted a more stylish haircut.
"I think her authentic nature could be a positive," said Olson, the Democratic strategist. "The challenge is communicating that to voters in an effective way." Source: Associated Press, October 30, 2005 |W|P|113071211039536830|W|P|COLEEN ROWLEY IS HER OWN WORST ENEMY|W|Pfirstname.lastname@example.org/30/2005 07:57:00 PM|W|P|The Lady Logician|W|P|"An Iowa native with ancestral roots in Minnesota's 2nd District, Rowley still speaks with a pronounced Midwestern honk."
A PRONOUNCED MIDWESTERN HONK??? And they wonder why we think they hate us??????10/31/2005 08:04:00 AM|W|P|mnsky|W|P|Well as usual you're half of nothing wrong...half off! half baked! half a loaf short!
"She's just getting going," said Jeanne Thomas, chairwoman of the Democratic Party in fast-growing Scott County...
Scott County is growing...but Jeanne Thomas isn't the chair...Hint: Scott County has a chair MAN .10/30/2005 11:52:00 AM|W|P|Minnesota Democrats Exposed|W|P|Even though this blog is called Minnesota Democrats Exposed, I thought these websites would be of interest to my fellow bloggers excited about Scooter Libby.
The Clinton Legacy
The Official Clinton Stat Board
Disclaimer: Don't blame me for the material, I am just passing it along. Don't starting asking me about Vince Foster.
|W|P|113070302007172877|W|P|REMEMBER THE CLINTON LEGACY|W|Pemail@example.com/30/2005 03:06:00 PM|W|P|StPaul_DFLer|W|P|Proving yet another point of mine. When confronted, Republicans tend to Distort, Distract and Lie.
This a Distraction as Clinton is not in office. The current White House occupier is having problems with felony indictments among his staff and Michael brings this up.
Weak, pathetic attempt. Why not stick with Bush and fight it out?10/30/2005 05:22:00 PM|W|P|The Lady Logician|W|P|and yet when Dems had the opportunity to "stick with President Clinton and fight it out" they instead decided to bring up Watergate and Iran-Contra....what's the difference?????10/30/2005 07:15:00 PM|W|P|StPaul_DFLer|W|P|Crimes against the State versus criminal activities outside of that duty.
Democrats fuck-up and tis usually some stupid petty crap.
Republicans do it and it always involve circumventing the Constitution (I guess it becomes too bothersome for their long term viewpoint).
See, the difference?10/31/2005 07:08:00 AM|W|P|ReaganBlows|W|P|spin, spin, spin, gotta save da Dubya10/31/2005 10:44:00 AM|W|P|Minnesotah|W|P|The charge against Scooter Libby is perjury. If he is convicted I believe he should do some heavy time.
I am glad MOST Democrats once again recognize perjury as a great evil. Except for StPaulDFLer. For him it depends on whether the accused is a Democrat in a sexual harassment case ("petty crap") or a Republican in a CIA leak case ("circumventing the constitution").10/31/2005 12:18:00 PM|W|P|StPaul_DFLer|W|P|Hey Minnesotah,
You know you're mot equipped well-enough to debate me so just go back to lurking and learning.
I've spent that last week outlining the Republicans criminal activity on the national and state scene, without going back in time. Here and now, there are more being investigated than you can shake a stick at.
You are free to list the criminal activities that Democrats are being investigated for. Go ahead.
MDE posted this one that is still full of innuendo and conspiracy.
And, if you don't believe there is a difference in the level of gravity between criminal activity and criminal activity against the State- then you are truly in over your head.
Oh yeah- Libby was indicted for Perjury- Clintn was not.11/05/2005 06:19:00 PM|W|P|Todd Ouellette|W|P|Yeah Clinton was a horrible traitor.
But, when I took evidence of illegal weapon sales to the Chinese over to Bob Dole's office, I couldn't even get a staff stooge to speak w/ me.
GOP Rep. Gil Gutkneckt kept quiet about the China weapons for $$$ scams.
Note to MDE. Both parties suck?
They are both useless.
GOP thought the sperm-stained dress was more important than selling nukes' to China.
Maybe if you actually ever dared to ask a GOP clone to do something good for America you would finally understand the reality.11/05/2005 06:22:00 PM|W|P|Todd Ouellette|W|P|Hey St. Paul DFLER.
Clinton only avoided a perjury charge because he did what the prosecutor told him to do.
Give up law license, pay fine, admitt perjury etc.
DFL and GOP both suck?
You people are a joke.
You fight over which party is the least useless.
THEY SUCK?10/30/2005 07:24:00 AM|W|P|Minnesota Democrats Exposed|W|P|
Lori Sturdevant: Hatch will find this race a different ballgame
Glaring down at a conference table from a wall in the office of Attorney General Mike Hatch are the faces of his 27 predecessors.
Not one of them went on to be governor.
(Full disclosure must acknowledge that one of them had been governor. J.A.A. Burnquist, the state's athletic young governor during World War I, was its more seasoned attorney general from 1939 through 1955.)
Looking at the last three in that lineup -- Republican Douglas Head and DFLers Warren Spannaus and Hubert H. Humphrey III -- must give Hatch pause. Each tried to make the leap to the governor's office. Each fell short.
Purely happenstance, Hatch might be thinking about the common fate of those gubernatorial wannabes as he starts his own bid for the office across the Capitol hall. The 1970, 1982 and 1998 races for governor were each singular exercises, he might claim.
Well, yes. Each of those races had its own array of the oddities that make Minnesota politics an unpredictable thrill ride for the contestants and a hoot for us commentators.
Still, permit the suggestion that inherent in the work of the second-highest-ranking state elected official are elements that voters don't consider ideal preparation for the top job.
For one thing, attorneys general are attorneys. They sue people.
If they are any good -- and Minnesota has had a string of good ones -- most of the people they bring legal action against have it coming. Litigation by Minnesota's attorneys general through the years has richly served the public interest.
Still, the people being sued tend not to be pleased -- and they have friends who feel likewise. Spannaus, who served as AG from 1971 until he caught gubernatorial fever in 1982, says as much: "You make enemies as attorney general that you don't even know you have. You sue one business, and the next thing you know, they're saying that you're anti-business."
Even if an AG does not accumulate so many enemies that he gets a new first name -- Dump -- on bumper stickers, the nature of the attorney general's work is adversarial. The more eagerly an AG conducts that work, the more he appears to thrive on conflict. (This might be especially true for Hatch, who was already described by this newspaper as "over-zealous" when he was state commerce commissioner and running for governor the first time, in 1990.)
While voters might admire pugnacity in their lawyer, they aren't crazy about it in their governor. In that office, they tend to prefer a consensus-builder. That might be especially true in 2006, after Gov. Tim Pawlenty and the 2004 and 2005 Legislatures took partisan discord to extremes previously unimagined in these parts.
Attorneys general who run for governor also have the awkward transition problem. Their speeches usually begin by touting their protection of consumers from scam artists, predatory lenders and hyper-greedy corporations. Then they have to make a flying, often flailing rhetorical leap to the issues that will confront the state's next governor -- education, transportation, tax fairness, the state's fiscal stability.
It's a whole different list, with one conspicuous common point -- health care. That, for Hatch, is a crucial intersection between the agendas of the AG's and the governor's offices. Talking about securing health care coverage for more Minnesotans not only spares him those awkward transitions. It also speaks to a sore subject for a lot of people, and takes aim at a Republican weakness -- their eagerness in 2003 and 2005 to deny health insurance to the working poor.
Hatch doesn't need to be told that the health care issue is his candidacy's long suit. He launched his campaign at the convention of the Minnesota Nurses Association, and solicited moving testimonials from people he helped get financial satisfaction from balky HMOs, health insurance companies and care providers. He gets it.
That issue, plus the several early-going advantages that a sitting AG has as a gubernatorial candidate -- name recognition, fundraising capacity, political connections -- might, in Hatch's case, outweigh any mismatch between what voters want in an attorney general and in a governor. Two terms in the Capitol's northwest corner office give him automatic standing as a formidable contender for the southwest corner digs.
But Hatch might be well advised to tone down the boasts about lawsuits and bone up on education, transportation and taxes. He no longer needs to convince voters that he has been a good attorney general. He has to assure them that he would make a good governor. Source: Star Tribune, October 30, 2005 |W|P|113068616107038265|W|P|HISTORY NOT KIND TO HATCH FOR GOVERNOR|W|Pfirstname.lastname@example.org/30/2005 11:02:00 AM|W|P|StPaul_DFLer|W|P|Ho hum...
Rudy Guiliani was a public attorney before becoming one f the most popular mayors in America.
Right now, Elliot Spitzer, another public attorney is set to unseat the sitting governor over in NY(ironically he seems to be more conservative than the GOP Pataki).
Before Pawlenty, how many House majority leaders went on to become governor? None that I can think of.
Before Jesse, how many Independents were governor? One. You guess.
Before Norm Coleman, the last politician to go from the office of the Mayor to United States Senator was Hubert Humphrey 54 years prior.
Also, there hasn't been a Republican Attorney General for over 40 years. Should Johnson (or Bachmann if you beleive the latest rumors)even try?
This is the Stribs filling in space with boring non-informal dribble.
All odds also pointed to W losing the 2004 race yet, I sit here still smarting from that.
The only trend in politics to focus on is the switch to the blue tie being the power tie over the long run of red.10/30/2005 11:34:00 AM|W|P|I hate MDE|W|P|10/30/2005 12:54:00 PM|W|P|Lucy N|W|P|I hate MDE: You are nuts. Get a life.10/30/2005 01:08:00 PM|W|P|I hate MDE|W|P|10/30/2005 02:18:00 PM|W|P|The Lady Logician|W|P|MDE - I see your LITTLE friend is still around. Haven't you reported him to his ISP yet? Making terroristic threats is a crime last I heard......10/30/2005 03:10:00 PM|W|P|StPaul_DFLer|W|P|You've got to report this guy, I know the downside will be that your ID will be exposed, but on a the serious side, your family- and if you are not MB, his family is being threatened.
Or, wait for the asshole to show up and blast. Won't get an argument from this liberal for protecting your family.10/30/2005 05:25:00 PM|W|P|The Lady Logician|W|P|stpaul_dfler said "This is the Stribs filling in space with boring non-informal dribble. "
No doubt about that.....they are just looking to fill column inches with this....10/28/2005 02:51:00 PM|W|P|Minnesota Democrats Exposed|W|P|Former D.C. Mayor Marion Barry Charged With Failure to File Income Tax Returns, a Misdemeanor
Former District of Columbia Mayor Marion Barry was charged Friday with failure to file his income tax returns a misdemeanor charge that could bring a year-and-a-half in prison if he is convicted. Source: Associated Press, October 28, 2005|W|P|113053682756496736|W|P|INDICTED|W|Pemail@example.com/28/2005 03:05:00 PM|W|P|Mike S|W|P|Isn't this MINNESOTA Democrats Expossed? I guess you are just trying to provide cover for Libby.10/28/2005 03:43:00 PM|W|P|Minnesota Democrats Exposed|W|P|I actual did this for that exact reason. I new somebody would get upset. Even though Barry was indicted, you can't10/28/2005 04:57:00 PM|W|P|StPaul_DFLer|W|P|Good!
He was a crook and an embarassment.
Now lets talk about the SECOND White House employee to be indicted today.
Even on the national scene the Republicans out do the Dems when it comes to indictments.10/29/2005 09:07:00 AM|W|P|StPaul_DFLer|W|P|So if barry serves his complete time in jail, Scooter Libby will still have 28 years to go.
I promise you that Rove or the premise for War will be the next bombshell.10/29/2005 03:12:00 PM|W|P|John Jordan.com|W|P|I promise you that Rove or the premise for War will be the next bombshell.
Isn't it a sad commentary on the state of politics when someone is actually rooting for this.10/29/2005 03:38:00 PM|W|P|StPaul_DFLer|W|P|Rooting for an end to the corruption in our highest office is a sad commentary?
C'mon John, you can spin better than that.
A few years ago, the DFL had a piece telling how the GOP Distort, Distract and Lie.
Distort= She wasn't undercover. Wilson was a liar.
Distract= Its a shame we're rooting for this. The War, The War, Terror, Terror!
Lie= (Soon enough)10/29/2005 04:51:00 PM|W|P|I hate MDE|W|P|10/29/2005 04:52:00 PM|W|P|I hate MDE|W|P|10/29/2005 06:55:00 PM|W|P|John Jordan.com|W|P|Rooting for an end to the corruption in our highest office is a sad commentary?
No, THAT was a good attempt at spin.
You "promise" us that Rove will be the "next bombshell" like you are looking forward to it. Unless you were in the Grand Jury room and have some special insight, you're clearly rooting for it.
Your OPINION is that Rove is "corrupt". Because you don't like him doesn't make it so. That's not spin, that's fact, my friend.
I am all for taking out corruption. If Libby did lie before the Grand Jury, he should be tossed in jail. Same for Rove. But Clinton should be just getting out of the halfway house for doing the exact same thing, too, since he did the same thing and did it on tape.
By the way, I still believe Wilson's nothing but a liar. So does British intelligence.10/29/2005 07:37:00 PM|W|P|StPaul_DFLer|W|P|When was Clinton indicted for perjury, obstruction of justice or even lying to grand jury?
'Spin' is you comparing Clinton's land deal(Whitewater) investigation- before he was President, to a breach in National Security that could affect the reliablility of the human intelligence we receive. Afterall, if you don't tell certain Bush officials what they want to hear- you can find yourself out of work.
Did you not learn anything through this whole thing? Are you so blindly loyal that you have lost all cognitive ability?
Libby's testimony was not only in direct contradiction of all who he named as witnesses, but to his own notes that were turned in to the Prosecuter. He's a very smart Washington lawyer that's been a major player for a couple of decades. This is not characteristic. Who is he covering for?
You're nothing but a typical shallow daily talking points reader of the GOP. The problem is they give you nothing when challenged?
I've called you to mat to prove your assessment that DFLers are more corrupt than Republicans. You run to another thread. Yet, I have to give proof and you disappear.
You've shat your flawed opinion around this blog like you take Ex-Lax with that Kool-Aid you drink. Here's your chance to shut me up:
Back up your claim that Clinton was indicted for perjury (I won't even make you stretch to explain how that investigation is as serious as this one).
And, post your proof that Wilson is a liar.
If Wilson is a proven liar, explain what has that got to do with this investigation INITIATED by the CIA and signed off by George Tenet- who recieved a medal of freedom from Bush earlier this year.
Balls in your court big mouth.10/29/2005 07:41:00 PM|W|P|StPaul_DFLer|W|P|Rove FACTS:
ORIGINALLY DENIED ANY INVOLVMENT IN THE LEAK: Asked on 9/29/03 whether he had “any knowledge” of the leak or whether he leaked the name of the CIA agent, Rove answered “no.” That same day, White House Press Secretary Scott McClellan, after having “spoken to Karl,” asserted that “it is a ridiculous suggestion” to say Rove was involved in the leak. In August 2004, Rove maintained, “I didn’t know her name and didn’t leak her name.” [ABC News, 9/29/03; White House Press Briefing, 9/29/03; RawStory; Newsweek, 7/11/05]
ROVE SPOKE WITH TIME REPORTER MATT COOPER: In a conversation with Time reporter Matt Cooper — a conversation that Rove insisted be kept on “deep background” — Rove instructed Cooper, “Don’t get too far out on Wilson.” Rove then identified Valerie Plame as “Wilson’s wife” who “works at the agency on wmd [weapons of mass destruction].” According to Cooper, his conversation with Karl Rove was the first time he had heard anything about Wilson’s wife. Additionally, Rove told Cooper that further information discrediting Wilson and his findings would soon be declassified and ended the phone conversation by saying “I’ve already said too much.” [Time, 7/25/05]
ROVE SPOKE WITH COLUMNIST ROBERT NOVAK: A week prior to publishing his column which outed undercover CIA agent Valerie Plame, Robert Novak spoke with Karl Rove. In the 7/8/03 conversation with Rove, Novak brought up Plame’s role at the CIA, and Rove confirmed for the reporter that Plame worked at the CIA: “I heard that too,” said Rove. [NYT, 7/15/05]
ROVE TESTIFIED FOUR TIMES BEFORE THE GRAND JURY: Karl Rove appeared before a federal grand jury for a fourth and most likely last time on October 14, 2005. In his previous testimony to the grand jury, Karl Rove reportedly admitted “that he circulated and discussed damaging information regarding [Plame] with others in the White House, outside political consultants, and journalists” and “is said to have named at least six other administration officials” who were involved. From Rove’s description of the administration’s efforts, sources characterized the actions as “an aggressive campaign to discredit Wilson through the leaking and disseminating of derogatory information regarding him and his wife to the press, utilizing proxies such as conservative interest groups and the Republican National Committee to achieve those ends, and distributing talking points to allies of the administration on Capitol Hill and elsewhere.” [American Prospect, 3/8/04; Newsweek, 7/11/05; Reuters, 10/14/05]
ROVE DEFENSE TEAM ANTICIPATES CHARGES; ROVE PLANS TO RESIGN IF INDICTED: “Rove’s defense team asserts that President Bush’s deputy chief of staff has not committed a crime but nevertheless anticipates that special prosecutor Patrick J. Fitzgerald could find a way to bring charges in the next two weeks.” “Bush senior adviser Rove and others at the White House had concluded that if indicted he would immediately resign or possibly go on unpaid leave, several legal and Administration sources familiar with the thinking told Time.” [Washington Post, 10/15/05; Time, 10/24/05]
ROVE WAS REPORTEDLY ADMONISHED BY BUSH FOR LEAKING: “An angry President Bush rebuked chief political guru Karl Rove two years ago for his role in the Valerie Plame affair, sources told the Daily News. ‘He made his displeasure known to Karl,’ a presidential counselor told The News. ‘He made his life miserable about this.’” [NY Daily News, 10/19/05]
MEMBER OF THE WHITE HOUSE IRAQ GROUP: Rove was a regular participant in the weekly meetings of the Bush Administration’s White House Iraq Group. The main purpose of the group was the systematic coordination of the “marketing” of going to war with Iraq as well as selling the war here at home. One clear example of this fact is that “the escalation of nuclear rhetoric” during the pre-war stage, “including the introduction of the term ‘mushroom cloud’ into the debate, coincided with the formation” of WHIG. The group included the other individual who has been confirmed as a leaker, Lewis Libby. [Washington Post, 8/10/03]
Still waiting for that Clinton info Jordan.10/29/2005 08:40:00 PM|W|P|I hate MDE|W|P|10/29/2005 08:43:00 PM|W|P|I hate MDE|W|P|10/30/2005 04:30:00 AM|W|P|John Jordan.com|W|P|Nice try, my friend. Clinton lied under oath, was IMPEACHED, was disbarred and has paid hundreds of thousands of dollars in settlements. I guess those don't matter.
Balls in your court big mouth.
You're nothing but another anonymous Sean. Throw out a bunch of bumpersticker accusations and then call your opponent names. Why is it that democrats have to do that? No, really. I don't call you names but you find yourself doing it all the time.
You've posted a lot of assumptions on Rove but, to date, none have been proven to be more than that. Because you can type a lot of words doesn't make any of them true.
As to "shutting you up", there's nothing I could possibly say that would do that. You're hell-bent on believing the worst about Republicans no matter the facts. You've got such a shallow, bitter view of us that it's going to take a life-altering experience before you will ever allow yourself to see anything other than your own strange view of the world.
In the end, you're unworthy of the attempt.10/30/2005 05:23:00 AM|W|P|StPaul_DFLer|W|P|True Republican.
No facts to turn to so turn on the messenger adn discredit them. You have learned well John.
By the way- those aren't accusation on Rove, them be facts my man. Its the reason he remains under investigation.
He leaked, the question is was it illegal and did he commit perjury to cover it up?
He probably told the truth about it to the Prosecutor, so he's not indicted. Yet.
Clinton was never indicted.
Say what you want, but whatever he was charged with it came out to a misdemeanor and not a High Crime. Treason is a high crime. Libby the Liar is charged with a FEW felonies.
Again, I give facts and even cite my research, you come back with rhetoric. Defend your man, John. Tell me why he is not corrupt, and I'll go back from Friday to 30 years ago at the Dirty Tricks Rove has perfected. That's right as an RNC aide to Bush sr, he was there when Nixon's dirty tricks started coming out.
So this is yet another thread you can't back up your garbage.
I don't know who Sean was, but he apparently got bored of kicking your ass on here and left.
See you after church.10/30/2005 06:23:00 AM|W|P|StPaul_DFLer|W|P|Current Republican corruption include:
Libby being indicted
WHite House Cheif of Procurments (contracts) led away in handcuffs- indicted
Majority Leader in the Senate- under investigation for illegal trading
Majority Leader in the House- indicted for several counts
White House Deputy Cheif of Staff- under investigation
Those are just the office holders at the top in the WHite House, Seante and House. There are dozens and dozens across the nation in local offices that have been charged with everything from child molestation to murder conspiracy. All within the last year. I won't even talk about your former House mate that was a known sex offender who settled out of court.
It seems if you just give lip service to the mantra of the Right, you'll be rewarded, but as you, Mr Jordan, found out, the chickens will come home to roost and people will reject that lack of substance.
You still want to talk about indictments? Or, will your next post try to turn things around on me? Or, will you just crawl back in your hole until the next set of speaking points come out from the GOP?
Now, I'm off to church.10/30/2005 09:32:00 AM|W|P|Swiftee|W|P|SP_Dink wrote:
"Now, I'm off to church."
I hereby nominate SP_Dink for DFLer of the month.10/30/2005 10:12:00 AM|W|P|StPaul_DFLer|W|P|Thank you Swiftless.
What must I do to win that annual distinction?10/30/2005 10:49:00 AM|W|P|StPaul_DFLer|W|P|Back to indictments.
Any of repubs want to answer them or show where Dems are as or more corrupt?
Or do you want to do what tomiie swiftless and the repubs do best, run from content and substance and attack the messenger of bad news?10/30/2005 11:35:00 AM|W|P|I hate MDE|W|P|admit you are michael brodkorb and i will stop posting your home address and directions to your home
dflblog.com and lloydletta.blogspot.com should be time's "bloggers of the year"10/30/2005 12:48:00 PM|W|P|Swiftee|W|P|"What must I do to win that annual distinction?"
Just continue to be the spunk recepticle that you are.10/30/2005 02:40:00 PM|W|P|The Lady Logician|W|P|stpaul_dfler.....The Senate looked into the whole Joe Wilson thing and THEIR REPORT came out and said that he lied in his report re:his trip to Niger. On Page 49 (of 521 found here http://intelligence.senate.gov/iraqreport2.pdf) the Senate report states AS FACT that Mr. Wilson was recommended for this trip by his wife who worked for the CIA something he has categorically denied. Page 50 talks about a meeting on 2/19/2002 where "CPD hosted a meeting with the former ambassador...the purpose of the meeting was to discuss the merits of the former ambassador going to Niger...AN ANALYST'S NOTES INDICATE THAT THE MEETING WAS APPARENTLY CONVENED BY THE FORMER AMBASSADOR'S WIFE WHO HAD THE IDEA TO DISPATCH HIM....."
If you want to talk about lies and the lying liars who tell them, let's not forget the media's darling, Joe Wilson....10/30/2005 03:16:00 PM|W|P|StPaul_DFLer|W|P|So are you admitting tha the White House over-reacted to discredit a liar?
Why not just discredit his findings?
Why go after his family?
Ironic you can defend the WH in this case but yet see the dirty and dangerous effects of these tactics when "i hate mde" brings in Michael Brodkorbs family and personal info into the public forum.
Rather MB/MDE is a liar or a Saint, his arguments are here for us to debate and debase(for me). Why couldn't the WH do the same over Joe's findings?10/30/2005 04:24:00 PM|W|P|The Lady Logician|W|P|MORE refutation of Joe Wilson's public statements (from the SSCI report):
[the former ambassador's] intelligence report indicated that former Nigerien Prime Minister Ibrahim Mayaki was unaware of any contracts that had been signed between Niger and any rogue states for the sale of yellowcake while he was Prime Minister (1997-1999) or Foreign Minister (1996-1997). Mayaki said that if there had been any such contract during his tenure, he would have been aware of it. Mayaki said, however, that in June 1999,(REDACTED) businessman, approached him and insisted that Mayaki meet with an Iraqi delegation to discuss "expanding commercial relations" between Niger and Iraq. The intelligence report said that Mayaki interpreted "expanding commercial relations" to mean that the delegation wanted to discuss uranium yellowcake sales. The intelligence report also said that "although the meeting took place, Mayaki let the matter drop due to the UN sanctions on Iraq."
Yeah - I know....it is sad that I have nothing "better" to do on a Sunday afternoon...but I got bored watching the football game and I shipped the rest of the family off for some quality "me" time.....10/30/2005 04:28:00 PM|W|P|The Lady Logician|W|P|The did just discredit his findings....then when Mr. Wilson lied about WHO sent him to Niger he ended up dragging HIS OWN WIFE into the mess. If he had not lied about who sent him he would not be in this mess....
As far as MDE's little friend vs bringing Joe Wilson's wife up in this little spat....no one is stalking Valerie Plame....however, it is obvious that I Hate MDE is stalking Michael Brodkorb. There IS a legal difference, especially when Fitzpatrick could not find evidence to indict anyone on the "outing" charges where there is plenty of stalking evidence right here on this blog.....10/30/2005 05:11:00 PM|W|P|StPaul_DFLer|W|P|OK LL. I see we are going to dance this dance.
Why does MDE find it necessary to point out that Hatch had a fundraisers at Alary's? A cop bar, where during the WInter Carnival some waitresses got sexually assaulted by Vulcans? MDE also felt the need to post some of the scantily dressed lasses on the site. Why? To give the image that Mike Hatch is somehow sleezy or immoral.
The Sixth District Republican Caucus is having a convention at the Mermaid Bar in Moundsview. Is there a bigger meat market in the north burbs? Yes- but not many. Mermaids, known for X busts and plenty of wet t-shirt contests. Thi is the place that the candidates will try to out family values the next?
Classic.10/30/2005 05:19:00 PM|W|P|Minnesota Democrats Exposed|W|P|I think Mike Hatch is sleezy for hosting a fundraiser at Alary's.
It was just wrong. Let's see if Hatch does it again.10/30/2005 05:28:00 PM|W|P|The Lady Logician|W|P|For someone who belongs to a political party that is supposedly AGAINST the exploitation of women to hold a fundraiser in an establishment that does just that is hypocritical at the very best Stpaul.... It's called walking the walk.10/30/2005 05:30:00 PM|W|P|The Lady Logician|W|P|10/30/2005 05:31:00 PM|W|P|The Lady Logician|W|P|10/30/2005 07:41:00 PM|W|P|StPaul_DFLer|W|P|Alary's doesn't treat thier women employees bad at all. It was the patrons that day- who by the way are Republicans who overtly support Pawlenty, Coleman and Mayor Kelly. Check out where the sex offender gives money.
Also, check out the attorneys who are representing the women, you may reconize his name as one who is from a very DFL family. Then look at the name of the attorney for Mr Sex Offender. Then cross reference his name with some of those campaigns of the above mentioned pols.
Again, Alary's is a cop bar where our finest hangout- and yours truly.
Mermaids is a meat market that hosts the best wet t-shirt contests in the Twin Cities.
Hatch is one democrat that you say held a fundraiser there- though I'm sure the women dressed different (the pix displayed are net pix fromtheir site) for the event.
The 6thCD is hosting their entire line-up of candidates, with visits from every statewide elected Republican showing up too.
I know it doesn't matter. Nobody has to enter a wet t-shirt contest unless they want, and the busts for X (which they had to shut down twice for) and underage drinking is just how the ball rolls. Afterall, the owners of mermaids give money to the GOP, so all the family values crap the Bachmans and other GOPers yelp about is not an issue with this place.10/28/2005 08:44:00 AM|W|P|Minnesota Democrats Exposed|W|P|Mike Hatch has enlisted the help of his wife Patti to try to distract Minnesotans from Hatch's negative attacks:
"Mike [Hatch] is proud to stand with these individuals and groups as we prepare for what will be a barrage of negative attacks these upcoming months ahead. The Republicans have already launched their negative attacks -- instead of focusing on the issues Minnesotans care about, they would rather divide and distract us from discussing what really matters. Mike is here to talk about a new agenda for Minnesota and I ask that you join him in this cause. Together we can make a difference." Source: Mike Hatch for Governor email, October 27, 2005, signed by Patti Hatch.
Hatch will try to pretend he is running a postive campaign, but Hatch has launched his own attacks on Governor Tim Pawlenty.
"He [Hatch] took several swipes at Republican Gov. Tim Pawlenty's stewardship of the state." Source: Associated Press, October 28, 2005
"In his letter, Hatch blamed Republican Gov. Tim Pawlenty for a 'humiliating government shutdown this year,' referring to the eight-day budget impasse with the Legislature in early July. 'I look forward to working with you and restoring our pride in this great state,' he wrote." Source: Pioneer Press, October 28, 2005
Hatch's announcement speech was filled with negative attacks:
"Simply put, we now have an administration that masquerades as 'Minnesota nice' but whose policies are particularly cruel to the sick, the vulnerable and the impoverished. We have an administration that strangles public institutions into a state of perpetual fiscal crisis, while they seek to subsidize private enterprise with tax cuts, subsidies and loopholes. We have an administration that says it hasn't raised taxes but raises 'fees' to the tune of $2 billion, property taxes to the tune of $2 billion, and has raided funds like the tobacco endowment.
Indeed, this administration has refused to close a several hundred million dollar tax loophole for foreign owned corporations, while attempting to strip thousands of Minnesotans of their health care coverage.
This is an administration that claims to be 'value-based,' yet attempts to expand gambling."
"Minnesotans are fed up with political gimmicks and rudderless leadership that shortchanges our future. They are tired of leaders who place pledges to special interest groups ahead of our common interests as Minnesotans.
This is an administration that has allowed industrial polluters to set their own mercury emission standards."|W|P|113051681346805008|W|P|HATCH TRYING TO HIDE HIS NEGATIVE ATTACKS|W|Pfirstname.lastname@example.org/28/2005 12:06:00 PM|W|P|The Lady Logician|W|P|I hate to say this, because I really dislike the politics of personal destruction, but we need to set aside, once and for all, the fallicy that no one likes negative campaigning. If that were really true, we would still not be suffering through cycle after cycle of negative comments and advertisments....10/28/2005 01:19:00 PM|W|P|StPaul_DFLer|W|P|Lady_Logician,
If what you say is how you feel, then you should probably go to another blog. You will be greatly disappointed here.
The whole premise of MDE is for personal destruction one DFLer at a time.10/29/2005 02:20:00 PM|W|P|The Lady Logician|W|P|So pointing out inconsistencies in a candidates voting record is "personal destruction"? How about pointing out that the candidates words and actions don't match....do you call that a "personal attack"?
That is one problem I have with the DFL. A Republican runs and ad that says "my opponent said he was going to do this and he did the opposite" and the DFL screams attack ads and yet they turn around and run ads that are patently false about the other candidates (Republican, Green, Independent or whatever). As long as the Dems have people spewing things like "Republicans have never worked an honest day in their lives." you can EXPECT to be treated in kind......10/29/2005 03:50:00 PM|W|P|StPaul_DFLer|W|P|Name one ad by the DFL that is an example of what you're talking about and I'll shut up for the rest of this thread.
For an example of what I'm talking about, just look to the right of your post and see what's listed under Attorney General Mike Hatch. Anything about his cases that you disagree with? Rulings? No. Lots of innuendo, assigning of intent and far fetched dot connecting.
Nothing on his record. So where's your outrage for this?
I say bring it on, rare is the Republican that an stand an in-kind return of fire. That I know from experience.
I'll give you an example: The current White House. When people appointed by this White House came out to stand against their DECISION, not them but their DECSIONS, they were personally attacked and discredited. Joe Wilson, Richard Clarke and fmr Sec Tres. Paul O' Neil all wrote books documenting this. There are about a dozen generals too who haven't written a book, but have come out against some of the decisions that are being made. All of them smeared by the White house.10/29/2005 05:37:00 PM|W|P|The Lady Logician|W|P|St_Paul - here is a grand example of what I am talking about.....
What part of calling a black man "Sambo" do you find to be ok? And where do you find MDE doing something like this?????10/29/2005 07:55:00 PM|W|P|StPaul_DFLer|W|P|Hold on LL. You said:
"A Republican runs and ad that says "my opponent said he was going to do this and he did the opposite" and the DFL screams attack ads and yet they turn around and run ads that are patently false about the other candidates (Republican, Green, Independent or whatever)."
This was a blogger who ran that, not the Democratic candidate. When it was discovered, he pulled the ad immediatly.
More from that article:
Virginia's Democratic gubernatorial candidate pulled campaign ads from a bloggers' Web site Thursday because the blogger had derided a black Republican candidate in Maryland as "Sambo."
The campaign of Virginia Lt. Gov. Tim Kaine ordered the campaign ads pulled after it became aware of the Web site's attack against Maryland Lt. Gov. Michael Steele, who announced for the Senate earlier this week.
So, I thank you for pointing out that the Democrat did the right thing. I only wish the Republicans would have done that right thing when they were running down to Bob Jones University who have some policy related racist and supremist viewpoints about race and religion (catholics and jews). I take that back, Alan Keyes went there and called them to the mat on all of their crap. He got about 3% of the vote.
And- what about Tony Perkins of the Family Institute or something like that. he's a spokesperson for the right that when he ran for Congress in Louisiana, begged and paid David Duke(Republican) for his private donors list which included many white supremists. Or how about the South Carolina tactics of the Bush supporters that insinuated that McCain had an illegitamite black child and disstibuted photos. No one bothered to clarify that that child was his adopted child from Bangladash who happened to be very dark. I beleive she was an orphan that had problems with a clepf foot and other things.
No your example showed that the Democrats will do the right thing when their supporters overtly go overboard. My three examples are further proof of why the GOP still are at the low end of the leaarning curve.10/29/2005 07:58:00 PM|W|P|StPaul_DFLer|W|P|Being from Chicago LL, I give you enough credit to see this. I do forgive you for being a Northsider and will credit your bend to the Right with that.10/30/2005 10:03:00 AM|W|P|The Lady Logician|W|P|stpaul_dfler said...
This was a blogger who ran that, not the Democratic candidate. When it was discovered, he pulled the ad immediatly.
True a blogger was the one that did that....NOW how would you have reacted if our friend MDE had done that?????? Would you have been totally OUTRAGED and demanding an apology or would you be making excuses that he is "only a blogger"????? Yes the candidate DID do the right thing by pulling his ad and he is taking HOLY CRAP from his base for doing so!!!! Where is YOUR outrage over that....
Bottom line is, we all have our agendas and biases. To pillory one side for engaging in their agendas and biases while ignoring the ones on your side is hypocritic and disingenuous.10/30/2005 10:08:00 AM|W|P|The Lady Logician|W|P|StPaul_DFLer said...
Being from Chicago LL, I give you enough credit to see this. I do forgive you for being a Northsider and will credit your bend to the Right with that.
Hehe...you too? No wonder the native MN's rag on us so much....we seem to be taking over the place....
All that aside, I would much rather live here in the Cities than I would in Chicago. It's too built up....when "the city" runs from the lake on the east to Rockford on the west it has gotten too big for me......I like my trees (except this time of year when I have to rake leaves for days on end....)10/30/2005 10:10:00 AM|W|P|StPaul_DFLer|W|P|Ummm, OK, but I thought we were talking about what Dems and Repubs do? Not what if's.
Here's the historical truth:
Politics in America has never been jsut about the issues, its always been about the personality and posturing. I can show some nasty examples going back to pre the Constitution when we were a republic under the Articles of Confederation.
Your side can't do it, and neither can mine. All we can do is keep the personal stuff to an ever changing minimun and project your candidates credentials and likability.
That's going to be it for the week in my non-partisan commentary.10/30/2005 02:47:00 PM|W|P|The Lady Logician|W|P|stpaul_dfler said...
"Your side can't do it, and neither can mine. All we can do is keep the personal stuff to an ever changing minimun and project your candidates credentials and likability."
GIVE THAT MAN A CIGAR!!!! You are absolutely correct in that it is something that neither side can stop doing! It is therefore (as I said before) disingenuous to try to claim that only one side or the other does it and it is hypocritic to slam one side for doing it while ignoring it while your guy does the same thing....
Who knows, maybe you're a closet Republican ;-)
Glad to see that Reps and Dems can agree on something.....10/30/2005 03:28:00 PM|W|P|StPaul_DFLer|W|P|Hypocitical is one description, but I think its become such a mainstay that its also called played politics.
1. NOW standing behind Clinton after he clearly has been less than respectful to some women and his marriage.
2. Some on the Right trying to downplay the gravity of perjury and obstruction of justice now, when seven years ago, the same voices thought it was a very serious crime.
So, will I go on and slam some republicans who will in the next week try to downplay these charges, even though I worked to change the dialogue seven years ago?
I expect you to do the same.
This type of politics is still effective for rallying your base.
On me being a Republican. I agree on a few things:
1. Strong National Defense and no limit on costs when protecting the nation and citizens(money- not Constitutional Rights).
2. Immigration reform.
3. Golf courses- the ones at the private clubs.
4. Party loyalty. They keep their troops in line better than anyone.
The list is 100 items long of why I am a Democrat.10/30/2005 05:46:00 PM|W|P|The Lady Logician|W|P|You asked about candidates sliming one another....remember when Senator Edwards felt the necessity to "out" Vice President Cheney's daughter? And yet when the VP and his family (and indignant Republicans everywhere) screamed in outrage, the Kerry/Edwards campaign said that she was "fair" game......10/30/2005 05:50:00 PM|W|P|The Lady Logician|W|P|stpaul_dfler said "So, will I go on and slam some republicans who will in the next week try to downplay these charges, even though I worked to change the dialogue seven years ago?
I expect you to do the same."
Were you one of the few who said that President Clinton should have been punished for his perjury 7 years ago? Or were you one of the ones excusing it by saying "it was just about sex"?????
My feelings about it then are the same as they are now....if he lied in sworn testimony he deserves to go to jail. Can you honestly say the same?????
And I have several thousand reasons why I am a FORMER Democrat......10/30/2005 06:36:00 PM|W|P|The Lady Logician|W|P|OK - I realize that Doug Grow is NOT a politician, but then again neither is Ron Carey and for Mr. Grow to bring Mr. Carey's AUTISTIC CHILD into a political discussion is beyond the pale, wouldn't you agree StPaul?????
http://www.startribune.com/stories/465/5696399.html10/30/2005 08:04:00 PM|W|P|StPaul_DFLer|W|P|No, I disagree on both points.
The Republicans have set a bar for themselves that Democrats have not. They want a public standard set for morality, public spending and such.
They enjoy the support and money from groups who are very overtly anti-gay, yet in their private lives, live under the protections and choice freedoms the Democrats have delivered. It's what makes Mary Cheney comfortable enough to be out (she wasn't outed, she was an active lesbian).
'Outing' would be exposing California Congressman David Drier. We all know its the real reason the he wasn't allowed to take Delay's place when he had to step down.
Except, once again, Alan Keyes. He dis-owned his daughter last year when she came out of the closet.
The guy is nuts, but consistent.
Grow's column points out the hypocrisy. You, Let's review Grow's column:
Take the case of Ron Carey, who became chairman of the Republican Party of Minnesota in June because many party activists feared that Gov. Tim (No New Taxes) Pawlenty was becoming too big a spender.
Philosophically, Carey is very conservative on the issue of government spending.
But then there's life.
Stories in the Star Tribune last week about controversies surrounding the Minnesota Autism Center show that Carey's family has benefited mightily from an organization that receives about 70 percent of its funding from public sources.
Carey, who has an autistic child, is chairman of the board of the center, which has had success, especially in working with very young autistic children.
His son, now 8, currently receives only six to 10 hours a week of publicly funded therapy a week. But the therapy was much more intensive a few years ago, Carey said. Documents show that the cost of the intensive therapy runs to more than $100,000 per year, per child.
...Isn't there a conflict between Carey, the leader of a party so resistant to government spending, and Carey, the parent of a child who benefits from public spending?
"There's research that shows this program is very effective," Carey said. "Kids are being helped to become indistinguishable from the rest of the society. These kids can grow up to be independent, tax-paying citizens. As a fiscal conservative, I can argue that a dollar spent on this saves $10 down the line."
That is the same argument made by many people who defend a wide spectrum of public spending.
---Exactly the same argument----
Carey says spending on such programs as those offered by the Minnesota Autism Center define the whole notion of "compassionate conservatism."
"Government by nature is not bad," Carey said. "It's abuse that's bad. It's waste that's bad."
Carey said that having an autistic child "has made me a better person. But it hasn't changed me from being a conservative Republican."
When Jim Jeffords of Vermont left the GOP, mainly over this EXACT kind of funding as he has a special needs child too, you guys blasted his ass non-stop. Rush Limbaugh's fat ass still does. Of course he has no children and several wives- another story.
Honey, you're only making my point for me. Thank you kindly.10/28/2005 06:29:00 AM|W|P|Minnesota Democrats Exposed|W|P|According to Mike S., Hatch's endorsement list may have one name too many.
"I got word from at least one person on Hatch's list that is not actually supporting him. Makes me wonder how many more there are like that.
Also, 4 years ago, Lourey received quite a bit of support from the range and the rest of the 8th CD."|W|P|113050709869175848|W|P|DOES HATCH'S ENDORSEMENT LIST HAVE ONE NAME TOO MANY?|W|Pemail@example.com/28/2005 07:21:00 AM|W|P|Jessica|W|P|Who is Wendy Anderson? Is Wendy a nickname that I had not heard?10/28/2005 07:35:00 AM|W|P|John Jordan.com|W|P|Who is Wendy Anderson?
Wendall Anderson - former MN Governor.10/28/2005 07:52:00 AM|W|P|StPaul_DFLer|W|P|Wendell Anderson was the Governor when Minnesota was the beacon of the nation in schools, jobs and crime-free clean cities. It was featured on the cover of TIME magazine with the caption "The Good Life".
In his second term, Watergate had just happened and the House was left with about 15 republicans total(67 today), and they were in the minority in the Senate too. The DFL also won four of the five constitutional offices. Times were good. We had two DFL senators in Washington and one in the White House (Mondale).
Then one day Hubert Humphrey died. Wendy, full of hubris, made a decision on that day to step down from being governor, the Lt Governor would be sworn in of course as Governor. Now with the death of a US Senator, there is no special election, so the Governor appoints a Senator. To whom do you think this appointment went? Yep Wendy.
People of Minnesota rightly called bullshit and the DFL paid dearly. That year brought us Rudy Boshwitz and Steve Sviggum and almost every leadership post the DFL held. The only bright light was the Speaker Sabo won a seat to Congress.
Wendy Anderson, DFL killer.10/28/2005 08:32:00 AM|W|P|Minnesota Democrats Exposed|W|P|Today's history lesson has been brought to you by St. Paul DFLer, made possible by a grant from the Chubb Foundation.10/28/2005 09:33:00 AM|W|P|StPaul_DFLer|W|P|CHubb? I know I'll regret this, but what is the 'Chubb foundation'?
I'm 6'2" and 210, nowhere near being your typical fat-assed American.10/28/2005 09:41:00 AM|W|P|Jessica|W|P|I had never heard Wendy used as his nickname. It seems a bit odd that Hatch did not use his full name.10/28/2005 09:46:00 AM|W|P|Minnesota Democrats Exposed|W|P|Chubb Foundation is the actual name of a foundation which provides education grants.
Since I don't know who you are it was not in reference to you physical characteristics.10/28/2005 10:01:00 AM|W|P|Swiftee|W|P|"I'm 6'2" and 210, nowhere near being your typical fat-assed American."
Right, the dink is 6'2" while standing in his clown shoes and weighs 210# when you include his backpack full of toys, candy and NAMBLA flyers.10/28/2005 10:29:00 AM|W|P|StPaul_DFLer|W|P|Oh- I stand corrected MDE.
Thanks for the info, the more you know...
tommie swiftless, thanks for continuing to prove your worth(lessness).10/28/2005 11:37:00 AM|W|P|John Jordan.com|W|P|I'm 6'2" and 210, nowhere near being your typical fat-assed American.
Hey, we fat-a**ed Americans resent being labled as "typical". :)
And for us, it's the Chubby Foundation.10/28/2005 11:38:00 AM|W|P|John Jordan.com|W|P|Whoops - it should be labeled.10/28/2005 04:21:00 PM|W|P|Politically Wise|W|P|While Lourey may have received a lot of Range support 4 years ago, she won't this time. Since she isn't in, I am 99% sure that Doran, yes, Doran, will get the Range support, I think he may already have it. Including a possible range legislator from the Range (Either Janezich or Rukavina, my bets on JJ)10/28/2005 05:00:00 PM|W|P|StPaul_DFLer|W|P|I wrote elsewhere that its been confirmed that Jerry Janezich wa asked and is considering it.
Not a bad choice since Jerry was the DFL endorsed candidate for US Senate in 2000. He also represented part of the Range in the Senate, House and County Commission for the previous 20 years.10/27/2005 10:48:00 AM|W|P|Minnesota Democrats Exposed|W|P|
ST. PAUL (AP) A fast-growing union is lining up behind D-F-L Attorney General Mike Hatch, the newest entrant in the 2006 Minnesota governor's race.
Just days after Hatch officially entered the race, the Service Employees International Union has endorsed him. The 28-thousand member union says Hatch best matches the organization's views on health care.
Hatch has already collected the backing of unions for nurses and steelworkers as he seeks his party's nomination to take on Governor Pawlenty next fall.
In the 2002 governor's race, S-E-I-U waited withheld its endorsement until a few months before the election. Source: Associated Press, October 27, 2005 |W|P|113043554970978210|W|P|BREAKING NEWS: HATCH ENDORSED BY SEIU|W|Pfirstname.lastname@example.org/27/2005 12:20:00 PM|W|P|StPaul_DFLer|W|P|The only news here is that the more progressive candidate Becky Lourey wasn't even given a shot.
Lining the endorsements up early may be way that Hatch is going to get teh DFL base behind him early going into the convention. Smart move.10/27/2005 02:39:00 PM|W|P|Swiftee|W|P|Hey Stpaul_Dink! I was in Chicago yesterday, so I missed your invite.
E-mail me email@example.com for directions.10/27/2005 03:40:00 PM|W|P|Politically Wise|W|P|The problem is, no one except Hatch got a shot. Want to knoe how I know, I called both the Kelley and the Doran campaigns to ask about all the Hatch endorsments. Both said that they were not given the opportunity to "show their stuff" to those unions.
It will be interesting though for Doran because I am almost positive an announcement will be comeing within the next week and a half or so that the large majority of Iron Range legislators will endorse Doran...How does that look for the Hatch campaign?10/27/2005 05:01:00 PM|W|P|stp_283|W|P|If the iron rangers are supporting anyone, it's gonna be Lowrey - hatch's connections don't go any deeper than he has already shown. but why doran?10/27/2005 05:12:00 PM|W|P|I hate MDE|W|P|10/27/2005 05:46:00 PM|W|P|StPaul_DFLer|W|P|Iron Range reps have been behind Doran for a while. Lourey doesn't vote their way and may threaten their way of life. She is from the Hinckley area- not the Range.
Hatch was from Duluth. Enough said.
Doran is rumored to be running with former state senator Janezich. Iron Range legislators Solberg, Tommasoni, Sertich, Rukavina and Dill are already on Board with him behind the scenes.
Doesn't matter that the Steelworkers endorsed Hatch.10/27/2005 09:30:00 PM|W|P|knm1773|W|P|Hate to break it to you...but Solberg, Rukavina, Dill, and Sertich are all supporting Hatch. Chek out his website and endorsement page which lists the legislators supporting him.. The only legislators from the range not supporting him at the moment are Tommassoni and Bakk.10/27/2005 09:47:00 PM|W|P|Mike S|W|P|I got word from at least one person on Hatch's list that is not actually supporting him. Makes me wonder how many more there are like that.
Also, 4 years ago, Lourey received quite a bit of support from the range and the rest of the 8th CD.10/27/2005 09:50:00 PM|W|P|Da Polga|W|P|I really don't like how the unions operate their endorsements. They rarely give all candiates a chance even to speak their minds, and it seems as though they have already made up their minds far before the announcements anyway. It is happening in every major race.10/28/2005 05:59:00 AM|W|P|John Jordan.com|W|P|They rarely give all candiates a chance even to speak their minds, and it seems as though they have already made up their minds far before the announcements anyway.
That is an accurate statement.10/28/2005 08:01:00 AM|W|P|StPaul_DFLer|W|P|I'll have a lot harder time proving why its not true than you would proving it so.
Why is it so?
Unions have set criteria which they believe are supportive of their membership. Most people who run for office will have a record- or a party with a record (though many many republicans get union endorsements). The union screening committee can look at the profile of the candidate and then decide what to do with that.
A lot politicians have close and set relationships with unions, and when they make a move its only a formality for endorsement because they've been good for their interest all along.
Everything i'm saying abut unions, goes for the chambers of commerce too.
Speaking your heart and mind sounds good, but by a certain time you have a record or perceived party views to connect or disconnect yourself from.
Lately, unions have also gotten their tails kicked under republican rule and will probably jump at the first chance they get to endorse a candidate that looks like they can beat Pawlenty or Kennedy for Senate.
The more MDE and republican voices yelp over Hatch, the stronger case you build for him that he's the one to beat.
Ask Randy Kelly here in Saint Paul about that.10/27/2005 10:39:00 AM|W|P|Minnesota Democrats Exposed|W|P|Thanks to another dedicated reader of Minnesota Democrats Exposed, Inside Source, my post on Kelly Doran's billboards just got more interesting:
"I called the Campaign Finance Board regarding the Doran billboards. While he was relunctant to give an 'official opinion' on the matter and emphasized that he would have to know which campaign paid for what, he did say that the billboards should be taken down or modified with the proper office being sought in a 'reasonable time frame'. When I asked if 31 days (that is how long it has been since the announcement of the switch to Govenor) was beyond a reasonable time frame, he said 'it is getting very close'.
I'm willing to cut Doran some slack, mostly because I can't wait for him to beat the shiite out of Hatch. But if they are still up on November 3rd, someone will probably file a complaint. That someone is most likely Mike Hatch.
k.d."|W|P|113043509061410622|W|P|UPDATE: MDE EXCLUSIVE: ARE DORAN'S U.S. SENATE BILLBOARDS ILLEGAL?|W|Pfirstname.lastname@example.org/27/2005 11:30:00 AM|W|P|anonymous|W|P|Isn't "inside_source's" credibility gone now that Hatch has declared for gov?10/27/2005 11:42:00 AM|W|P|Minnesota Democrats Exposed|W|P|"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat."
Any questions?10/27/2005 12:07:00 PM|W|P|Abrogans|W|P|I don't really get it. Does Doran Senate Committee still rent the signs? I am assuming that the committee signed a contract. Did it expire? If so, who then is responsible? Doran for Senate which is gone, Doran for Governor or the Billboard Company? If the contract has expired, then wouldn't the billboard company be in violation of campaign finance laws (corporate contribution?)? If the contract did not expire, does the contract then belong to Doran for Gov? I think that there is a lot of missing info here to determine the legality and who would be responsible.10/27/2005 12:11:00 PM|W|P|John Jordan.com|W|P|I think the likelihood here is that his contract expired at the end of September and the Billboard company just hasn't gotten around to changing them.10/27/2005 12:14:00 PM|W|P|Shark.bait|W|P|MDE said...
Just one...why didn't you give Teddy credit for that quote? You are normally so good at giving credit! (Sorry, just had to tease you a little!)10/27/2005 12:16:00 PM|W|P|StPaul_DFLer|W|P|Mr Jordan is correct, kind of.
Contract expired in September with the Kelly Doran for Senate campaign.
That space was the rented to the Kelly Doran for Governor Campaign.
Maybe the same guy, but for legalities, it is two seperate entities.
Rather the Doran for Governor campaign has gotten around to the wording on the billboard is of no consequence, unless it still says Senate.10/27/2005 12:19:00 PM|W|P|Minnesota Democrats Exposed|W|P|Shark.bait: Good point, my mistake.10/27/2005 12:40:00 PM|W|P|StPaul_DFLer|W|P|Teddy Roosevelt, a true Progressive. You guys can't be swayed by Teddy.
Although he became president because of the assassination of McKinley in 1901, he was nothing like the hero of todays conservatives and his boss. Throughout both terms, Roosevelt disappointed Republican conservatives by pressing hard for a variety of reforms.
He increased railroad regulation and sought protection of the nation's food and drug supplies.
He shocked his party by threatening management in order to settle an ongoing coal strike(siding with the workers). His programs of protection of public lands drew both praise from what we call environmentalists and criticism from corporate interest, or what we would call Republicans.
Roosevelt received great public supoprt with his Trust-busting initiatives, starting with him putting his foot to the ass of J.P Morgan's Northern Securities Company.
The Republicans turned on him and tried to blame the panic of 1907 on him and his progressive policies, but those policies were the beginnings of major bank reform, which were continued by Democrats and credited with saving the banking industry decades later.
Some more quotes from TR:
"Let the watchwords of all our people be the old familiar watchwords of honesty, decency, fair-dealing, and commonsense."... "We must treat each man on his worth and merits as a man. We must see that each is given a square deal, because he is entitled to no more and should receive no less.""The welfare of each of us is dependent fundamentally upon the welfare of all of us."
New York State Fair, Syracuse, September 7, 1903
"A man who is good enough to shed his blood for his country is good enough to be given a square deal afterwards. More than that no man is entitled, and less than that no man shall have."
Speech to veterans, Springfield, IL, July 4, 1903
"We demand that big business give the people a square deal; in return we must insist that when anyone engaged in big business honestly endeavors to do right he shall himself be given a square deal."
Letter to Sir Edward Gray, November 15, 1913
What in hell are you doing admiring such a man. He's one of my favorites.10/27/2005 02:36:00 PM|W|P|tom|W|P|Hey Stpaul_Dink! I was in Chicago yesterday, so I missed your invite.
E-mail me email@example.com for directions.
Can't wait!10/27/2005 02:44:00 PM|W|P|StPaul_DFLer|W|P|Just be at Yanereally's on the Eastside (Maryland and Payne) at 7:35. its a bar and you'll know me when I walk in. Jeans, brown shirt, black leather jacket, your name on the end of my foot.10/27/2005 02:50:00 PM|W|P|Swiftee|W|P|7:35..at a bar?
How about you meet me for a nice workout right now. Cherokee park right across the Smith street bridge at the pavilion is a very peaceful spot.10/27/2005 03:00:00 PM|W|P|Swiftee|W|P|I'm waiting dink.10/27/2005 03:16:00 PM|W|P|StPaul_DFLer|W|P|Not in the bar, the parking lot. Many titles have been won and lost back there.
Seriously, not going to happen. The moment you see me, you'll recognize me and so ends the cover.
Gotta put my pride behind me and remember that I do a lot more sticking up for my Party on here than I would kicking you in one night, and then being 'exposed'.
First local then the national news would be interviewing us about this new internet rage that is happening. You'll be on Fox News and I'll be on MSNBC by the end of next week.
Being anonymous has its advantages as MDE can attest to. You have to focus on the argument instead of the man. That's the bigger picture.
So, go ahead, start with the names,. DooFaLoofus, DFLoser, etc.., you don't need help. I can take it.
Know this, its been about three years since you made my list of people who need their asses kicked, including some of the ridiculus crud you currently write on the St Paul issues forum- although a couple of people seem to have your number and check you everytime. We'll have our dance in the near future, but not soon.
No, Tommie, its not going to happen. Yesterday-yep. Today- cooler heads have prevailed.
later swiftless.10/27/2005 04:11:00 PM|W|P|Swiftee|W|P|Pfft.
Like I said in the beginning MDE, you have nothing to worry about when it comes to these keyboard commando's.10/27/2005 05:20:00 PM|W|P|Swiftee|W|P|As for you dink...you should have thought this through more before you fucked up and made a threat.
Too late to make excuses now.
I'll be seeing you sooner than you think pal.10/27/2005 05:50:00 PM|W|P|StPaul_DFLer|W|P|Dude, if you confront me- that's fine. I'm just not going to initiate anything.
Listen Swiftless, I'm still quite certain that whipping your ass would be like cheating on a test, sure it'll be easy but not fulfilling.
Since you don't know me, I'm in control of when that will happen. I say it will happen later.
I didn't fuck up when I threatened to kick your ass, I just haven't decided when its going to happen. And if you think I scare easily- your friend Mr Berg will fill you in the contrary.10/27/2005 06:59:00 AM|W|P|Minnesota Democrats Exposed|W|P|As I and others have noticed, some of the 31 billboards purchased by Kelly Doran's defunct U.S. Senate campaign are still up across Minnesota.
When Doran decided to run for governor, he was asked about his numerous billboards:
"With this new campaign, he noted that first and foremost the goal is to build name recognition. As of now, billboards still have his Senate campaign information on them. Doran said those advertisements were already scheduled to come down at the end of September." Source: Eden Prairie News, September 28, 2005
But it is almost Halloween and some of the billboards are still up.
If someone was driving on Interstate 35 today and saw one of Doran's U.S. Senate campaign billboards and then went to the website listed they would actually be forwarded to Doran's gubernatorial website.
Simply put: Doran's U.S. Senate campaign is advertising for Doran's gubernatorial campaign, a potential violation of Minnesota campaign finance laws.
According to the Minnesota Campaign Finance and Public Disclosure Board:
A principal campaign committee may not accept: Any contribution from: federal candidate committees, local candidate committees, other principal campaign committees except at the time of termination, or corporations (the corporate prohibition is in Chapter 211B). Source: Minnesota Campaign Finance and Public Disclosure Board
Doran's campaign for the U.S. Senate may have officially ended, but he still has an active campaign committee.
It clear why Doran paid for the billboards:
"It's 443 days until Minnesota picks a new U.S. senator, but real estate developer and neophyte politician Kelly Doran already has put up 31 billboards and is working full time to build name recognition in his pursuit of the DFL nomination." Source: Star Tribune, August 21, 2005
"After Doran lent his campaign $250,000 for startup costs, it rented 31 strategically placed billboards to introduce him to Minnesotans. Doran says most candidates try to raise enough money to show their campaigns are viable, but his challenge is different: to use his centrist approach to win favorable name recognition." Source: Star Tribune , August 22, 2005 Doran should have made sure his U.S. Senate billboards were taken down as he promised and his campaign should have separated the two campaign operations. More principle, less politics? I don't think so.
UPDATE: A dedicated reader of Minnesota Democrats Exposed suggested I ask this question:
Is Kelly Doran's gubernatorial campaign directly benefiting from advertisements paid for by Kelly Doran's U.S. Senate campaign? |W|P|113037468459986403|W|P|MDE EXCLUSIVE: ARE DORAN'S U.S. SENATE BILLBOARDS ILLEGAL?|W|Pfirstname.lastname@example.org/27/2005 07:48:00 AM|W|P|Minnesota Democrats Exposed|W|P|The answer to the question is yes.10/27/2005 07:51:00 AM|W|P|StPaul_DFLer|W|P|I'll try to make this as simple as possible and leave out all of the big words.
Since his campaigns are self-financed, he doesn't accept public money, therefore, he has less- I repeat less, constraints on what he can do.
Did any publicity gained from Pawlenty for Senate, and Coleman for Governor campaigns help either one of them a couple months later when Cheney convinced them to switch? (Dick gets a smart point from me for that call. Good move.)
Anyone can call the MN Campaign Finance Board and have it explained. Any real reporter or journalist would have don that- a simple three minute local call. Naw, this blog (MDE) has an agenda to show Democrats in the worst light possible- even if it has to stoop below the truth.
My hats off to ya MDE- but I'll be throwing wrench in your machinery along way. Every chance I get.10/27/2005 08:09:00 AM|W|P|Minnesota Democrats Exposed|W|P|St. Paul DFLer: Regardless of how much of your own money you spend, you need to follow the law.
This is a solid post and don't think for a second that I or someone else has not spoken with the Minnesota Campaign Finance Board.
Give this post sometime, I think it has legs.
If you are so confident, give them a call.10/27/2005 08:12:00 AM|W|P|Minnesota Democrats Exposed|W|P|St. Paul DFLer: Pawlenty never formally announced he was a candidate for the U.S. Senate. Nice try.
There is a legal difference between someone thinking about running for the U.S. Senate and someone establishing a campaign committee.10/27/2005 08:18:00 AM|W|P|StPaul_DFLer|W|P|and Coleman?
Anyway, don't ask me to give it time. What exactly time frame do you give for any of your posts?
You throw it out there and see what sticks. I come along and spray WD40, to show it doesn't stick and let it fall to the floor. You step on it and its stuck to you. Right where it belongs.10/27/2005 08:22:00 AM|W|P|ReaganBlows|W|P|This is another non-story... your really reaching for things...10/27/2005 08:51:00 AM|W|P|Minnesota Democrats Exposed|W|P|I would appreciate Reaganblows and StPaulDFLer answering this question:
Is Kelly Doran's gubernatorial campaign directly benefiting from advertisements paid for by Kelly Doran's U.S. Senate campaign?10/27/2005 08:57:00 AM|W|P|Minnesota Democrats Exposed|W|P|St. Paul DFL and Mike S. should look at my correction to their previous post on Entenza and Quam.10/27/2005 08:59:00 AM|W|P|StPaul_DFLer|W|P|Probably, sure.
How can you measure the benefit?
He returned all money donated to him during the Senate run. So what now?10/27/2005 09:10:00 AM|W|P|Minnesota Democrats Exposed|W|P|Thank you for answering my question and then answering a question I didn't ask.
The law doesn't specify a measured benefit, just that there is a benefit.
You believe Kelly Doran's U.S. Senate billboards are currently benefiting his gubernatorial campaign. That would be a violation of Minnesota Campaign Finance Law.
The law is trying to prevent someone from establishing numerous campaign committees to circumvent (sic?) spending laws.
For example: If you decided to run for governor (God, help us) and spent $500,000 on ads and then decided to run for attorney general at the same time your governor's campaign would be helping your attorney general's race.
When you have an active U.S. Senate campaign, you are still a candidate for the U.S. Senate. That is why the law demands contributions can only be accepted from a terminating campaign.
It doesn't matter if he returned the money.10/27/2005 09:43:00 AM|W|P|StPaul_DFLer|W|P|MDE
You still have to demostrate a benefit. WHen I ask how do you measure it, I don't mean quantity, but proving it exist.
The only benefit that the signs could have provided is to up his name recognition (where a commercial can be measured by the market, ratings and cost per viewer rate which is pretty standard).
His campaign can argue that it specifically said for U.S. Senate. Since he is not going to be onth ballot for U. S. Senate, it was a wash.
Running for Governor, it can be argued that he will have to double his efforts to inform people that he is NOW a gubernatorial candidate.
This law is based on one thing- a specific candidate running for a specific office. He did switch campaigns which ended all Senate advertisment. he has now begun a Gubernatorial run. WHenever it started it was slotted as day one.
The last day of the Senate billboard ended when he papered over "Senate" and had "Governor" painted over it. With money slated for his gubernatorial bid.
Did he get name recognition because of all of this? Yes. Can it be argued that its higher now than it would have been if he didn't run for senate and just now started his gubernatorial run? Yes.
But the case is, he did run for office and previous runs for office helps with name recognition. Norm Coleman was made familiar by his 1998 run for Governor.
When he ran for Senate four years later, he certainly gained from his Gubby run. You think the VP would have known who he was if he didnt't make that failed attempt?10/27/2005 10:35:00 AM|W|P|Inside_source|W|P|I called the Campaign Finance Board regarding the Doran billboards. While he was relunctant to give an "official opinion" on the matter and emphasized that he would have to know which campaign paid for what, he did say that the billboards should be taken down or modified with the proper office being sought in a "reasonable time frame". When I asked if 31 days (that is how long it has been since the announcement of the switch to Govenor) was beyond a reasonable time frame, he said "it is getting very close".
I'm willing to cut Doran some slack, mostly because I can't wait for him to beat the shiite out of Hatch. But if they are still up on November 3rd, someone will probably file a complaint. That someone is most likely Mike Hatch.
k.d.10/27/2005 12:12:00 PM|W|P|StPaul_DFLer|W|P|Key word is changed. Do they say Governor or do they still say Senate? Or, do the say nothing?
If they say Senate- illegal.
If they say anything else- he's in the clear.10/27/2005 12:18:00 PM|W|P|Minnesota Democrats Exposed|W|P|They say "Senate"10/27/2005 12:57:00 PM|W|P|StPaul_DFLer|W|P|Then, Mr MDE, you may have yourself a point.
That point will rest upon if the Billboard Company or the Senate Campaign are in possession of a contract with an end date within the CFB regulations or not.10/27/2005 09:17:00 PM|W|P|ReaganBlows|W|P|I don't think they are benefiting Doran, because they are making him look like an opportunist, which is what he is. I don't think his billboards are gaining him any votes or raising his positives.10/26/2005 01:12:00 PM|W|P|Minnesota Democrats Exposed|W|P|
The picture of Matt Entenza on the left is from his attorney general campaign website, while the picture on the right is from the Minnesota House of Representative.
His wife must have paid for a make-over.
|W|P|113035755550100134|W|P|THE NEW MATT ENTENZA|W|Pemail@example.com/26/2005 01:42:00 PM|W|P|Republican Minnesota|W|P|What a tool.10/26/2005 01:49:00 PM|W|P|Shark.bait|W|P|Could they make him look any more washed out and white? I mean, I know we live in Minnesota, but there IS sunshine here at least 1-2 months out of the year. (Sorry…it appears that my seasonal affective disorder is kicking in early this year.)10/26/2005 02:38:00 PM|W|P|Kevin from Minneapolis|W|P|Looks to me like they just used different lighting. Not so washed and neutral in the official House photo. More orangish and natural in the campaign photo.
Seems comparable to the difference you would get if you took a traditional grade school picture and compared it to something taken at Glamour Shots.10/26/2005 04:08:00 PM|W|P|North Star Politics|W|P|I agree.
This is a cheap shot, MDE. Don't Republicans extol those who make a lot of money?10/26/2005 07:56:00 PM|W|P|Inside_source|W|P|If he had a facelift, I could see why this would be a story, but it obviously is just a nicer photo with better lighting.
Anyone else notice the shot Matt took at Mike in the press conference?10/26/2005 08:10:00 PM|W|P|Minnesota Democrats Exposed|W|P|No, please tell us.10/27/2005 05:55:00 AM|W|P|Inside_source|W|P|The early edition of the Entenza article in the Strib contained a quote where Entenza took a shot at Hatch, criticizing his "sue first, ask questions later" philosophy. This is a nearly exact quote from Jeff Johnson's press conference
earlier this year. Clearly this is something that struck a nerve and Entenza wants to paint himself as a more reasonable A.G.
Smart strategy, but dubious in it's honesty.10/27/2005 07:51:00 AM|W|P|Kevin from Minneapolis|W|P|Has anyone seen the "official" "family" photo of the Entenzas that they sent around? I wish I could get my hands on it, it is the oddest thing you've ever seen.
Anyone got it?10/27/2005 07:54:00 AM|W|P|StPaul_DFLer|W|P|See? This is what I'm talking about. You want to talk about families?
Norm and Laurie Coleman. Perfect Republican family. Only if you are a shut-in.
Matt and his wife have been together since high school in Worthington. Not a hint of scandal, so lets just pick on their looks.
Get a life- or even a wife. Harriet Miers got some time on her hands now.10/27/2005 08:25:00 AM|W|P|ReaganBlows|W|P|Where's that picture of Norm's dental work? Remember the dentist that used to have Norm's chompers on his website? It seems Normy got a little ticked...10/28/2005 05:34:00 AM|W|P|Kevin from Minneapolis|W|P|Uhhh, we don't know that.10/28/2005 08:26:00 AM|W|P|StPaul_DFLer|W|P|We do know this now.
I guess you can't legislate unles you have a milion dollar smile.10/26/2005 10:22:00 AM|W|P|Minnesota Democrats Exposed|W|P|Inside Minnesota Politics is a great resource for candidate speeches and interviews. |W|P|113034763680529430|W|P|INSIDE MINNESOTA POLITICS|W|Pfirstname.lastname@example.org/26/2005 12:24:00 PM|W|P|I hate MDE|W|P|10/26/2005 12:35:00 PM|W|P|Shark.bait|W|P|I hate MDE...
Why don't you go and play hide and go F yourself and leave MDE alone.
You are obviously nothing more than a chicken shit terrorist who is hiding behind the anonymity that you are so desperate to remove from MDE. You want to expose someone, why don’t you tell us all who you are?
Afraid that we might give out your address and directions to your house?
Afraid that we might comment about the nice tree you have in your front yard?
What a coward you are!10/26/2005 09:28:00 AM|W|P|Minnesota Democrats Exposed|W|P|
This is a great statement.
State Representative Jeff Johnson, Republican candidate for Minnesota attorney general, issued the following statement today regarding Representative Matt Entenza, DFL-St. Paul, announcing his candidacy: "I welcome Matt into the race. If he is my opponent next year it will present the voters of Minnesota with a strong contrast in both style and philosophy. I honestly think he is the only person in the state of Minnesota who is more partisan and political than Mike Hatch.
When I'm attorney general, the office will focus on public safety, consumer protection and job growth - not on politics and self-promotion." Source: Jeff Johnson for Attorney General|W|P|113034433175492998|W|P|JOHNSON REACTION TO ENTENZA ANNOUNCEMENT|W|Pemail@example.com/26/2005 09:49:00 AM|W|P|StPaul_DFLer|W|P|Always good to start off by saying how partisan your opponent is when your opponent haven't said a word yet. Good job Jeff.10/26/2005 10:03:00 AM|W|P|John Jordan.com|W|P|As one of the few people here who has worked with both Entenza and Johnson, I can tell you that Johnson's got it right. Entenza is about partisanship and self-promotion. It's a game to him, a sport, a hobby.10/26/2005 10:18:00 AM|W|P|Mike S|W|P|As a person who has worked with Entenza, he is competative in elections, sure. But not for sport, for the issues he cares about. I don't question any politician's motives. I believe that anyone smart enough to have success in high level politics could be making a lot more money elsewhere, so they must truly believe what they are doing is right. I don't always agree with them, but I trust they think they are right.10/26/2005 11:20:00 AM|W|P|StPaul_DFLer|W|P|If I remember exactly Mr Jordan, you didn't work at all with Entenza. You were one of the biggest partisans without any depth.
That's why you're posting on here and Entenza went on to leadership and now the AG's seat.
Talk about partisanship?
The DFL caucus comes to one less of being of half the caucus. Do you think the Speaker allowed for more staff to reflect this? Nope.
When the DFL was in the majority, did they budget for extra staff requests from the GOP- yes.
With almost one short of half the members being DFLers, do you think the Republicans assigned committees to reflect this? Hell no. They don't care about what the people of Mn wanted, they made sure that the main committees had a three to five republican slant.
Fair and balanced?10/26/2005 11:46:00 AM|W|P|North Star Politics|W|P|How long has it been since a Republican held the AG's seat?
When people want to be the law to be enforced arbitrarily, they'll vote for a Republican for AG. Until then, that seat will stay in the DFL column. Jeff Jordan doesn't have a prayer of winning the office, but if he did he'd turn a blind eye to the corporate scandal and fraud that Hatch has diligently worked to end and Entenza will continue to pursue. Jeff Johnson is about big business, while Matt Entenza will be about protecting the little guy.
Mr. Jordan - can you tell me why Matt Entenza is the minority leader running for statewide office while you are a former state representative blogging about a political world that you no longer run in?10/26/2005 01:20:00 PM|W|P|John Jordan.com|W|P|If I remember exactly Mr Jordan, you didn't work at all with Entenza. You were one of the biggest partisans without any depth.
It's so funny to watch DFL'ers make things up when they don't have a factual response to offer. I was hardly a partisan. I am one of the most pragmatic conservative Republicans that existed. I'm pro-stadium, pro-Northstar, etc. Some of my best friends and supporters are democrats, my friend.
That's why you're posting on here and Entenza went on to leadership and now the AG's seat.
And when making things up isn't enough, the personal shot.
Maybe I should have married into big money like Entenza, eh? I went for love instead of cash.10/26/2005 01:36:00 PM|W|P|John Jordan.com|W|P|Jeff Jordan doesn't have a prayer of winning the office
Who is Jeff Jordan?
Jeff Johnson is about big business, while Matt Entenza will be about protecting the little guy.
ROTFL10/26/2005 01:47:00 PM|W|P|John Jordan.com|W|P|That's why you're posting on here and Entenza went on to leadership and now the AG's seat.
One other thing - at least I can speak from my experience as one who has put his hat in the ring.
It's easy to sit back and take anonymous and inaccurate pot shots when you've never had the guts to try it yourself.10/26/2005 03:16:00 PM|W|P|StPaul_DFLer|W|P|Mr Jordan, for all you know I am there now, city or county official that is. No desire for the state house.
And you were a partisan. You are a partisan. You are now a rejected partisan and bitter.
You whine about people taking shots at you, yet you take shots at Matt and his wife. His wife has money- she earned it working up the corporate ladder. i thought you guys respected that?
She went to high school with Matt in Worthington, both were poor nerds.
Unlike many other couples, every bit of power from money and politics came from thier own hard work.
Again, you have been busted down to the Bush leagues and want to talk like you're still in the majors.
For all of you talking about people hiding behind screen names, this whole blog is about that! Whomever MDE is, has made a name for themselves by exposing embarrassing and personal information yet, works very very hard at keeping his ID undercover.
Republicans=Hypocrisy10/26/2005 07:38:00 PM|W|P|Mike S|W|P|Nice one...complain about cheap shots and then throw one at Entenza's marriage. For the record (I thought you would know this for how well you claim to know Matt) that Lois and he were high school sweethearts in Worthington. So I think there just might be a little bit of love in their marriage.10/27/2005 08:56:00 AM|W|P|Minnesota Democrats Exposed|W|P|For the record, Matt Entenza and Lois Quam didn't go to high school together.
Quam went to Marshall High Scool and Entenza went to Worthington High School.
I know you Minneapolis and St. Paul Liberals think small towns in greater Minnesota are all the same, but they have different names.
Check-mate by MDE.10/27/2005 09:05:00 AM|W|P|John Jordan.com|W|P|And you were a partisan. You are a partisan. You are now a rejected partisan and bitter.
So now I'm "bitter"? Oh, c'mon. You're an anonymous guy taking potshots at someone you don't even know. When you can't defend your guy, you have to keep making things up about me. And every time you do, you add something more to it.
You're like Sean, nothing more than a bumpersticker understanding of anything Republican.10/27/2005 09:07:00 AM|W|P|John Jordan.com|W|P|both were poor nerds.
At least one moved on from their nerd-dom.
(C'mon, you left that one hanging out there... :) )10/27/2005 09:12:00 AM|W|P|Minnesota Democrats Exposed|W|P|Representative Jordan, you quick humor is missed in the Minnesota Legislature.10/27/2005 09:26:00 AM|W|P|StPaul_DFLer|W|P|Mr Jordan, you were and are partisan. I have been doing a damn good job of defending my guys on here. Damn good.
Finding out who I am doesn't change what I say, as I'm focused on showing the errors and hypocrisy of Republicans on their site that tries to do the same aith DFLers. I'm not the issue. You on the other hand, inject yourself in when you can. For instance, you start off by saying "ass the only person on here who worked with Entenza..." Well that's wrong. You are not. I have too, but you brought your experience in here as proof of your conclusions in this so you are fair game.
You also made a statement a while back about you, personally you, seeing more DFLers as trying to cheat the campaign finance rules and cited one- Phyllis Kahn. I cited four Republicans and then went after you. Why? You'd have to be a partisan hack to say that. Anyone paying attention over the last three and half years would know that the Republicans are leading the way in getting caught cheating and fines.
And, you are still wrong on Lois and Matt. They both are still nerds. Lovable, smart and successful nerds.10/27/2005 09:45:00 AM|W|P|John Jordan.com|W|P|For instance, you start off by saying "ass the only person on here who worked with Entenza..."
If you're going to attempt to use my words, at least get it right.
I never said I was the only person who worked with him, I said this:
As one of the few people here who has worked with both Entenza and Johnson
That's quite different than what you're attempting to put into my mouth. Note, I didn't say I was the only person, but ONE of the only people to have worked with BOTH of them.
I'm not the issue.
The more you mis-use my words, the more you become the issue.
brought your experience in here as proof of your conclusions in this so you are fair game.
Yet you've not used my experience for your own gain, you've attempted to mis-use what isn't my experience for your gain. Making things up about me doesn't help your arguments, it harms your reputation.
You'd have to be a partisan hack to say that.
And you're not?
And, you are still wrong on Lois and Matt. They both are still nerds.
Given I don't know Lois, I defer to your judgment. :)
The bottom line is that you've been unable to defend Entenza and have found it easier to attempt to smear me. I can take it, no problem. But I am curious why you can't defend him instead?
What makes him a good AG candidate? Facts, not politics. What makes him better than Jeff Johnson? Facts, not bumpersticker rhetoric like that big business non-sense from yesterday.10/27/2005 09:46:00 AM|W|P|Mike S|W|P|While true they didn't attend high school together, they knew each other through, I believe it was debate. For the record, I went to high school in greater Minnesota and I knew plenty of people from nearby cities and towns, even dated one.
Check-mate-mate?10/27/2005 09:54:00 AM|W|P|John Jordan.com|W|P|Representative Jordan, you quick humor is missed in the Minnesota Legislature.
Never again, my friend, never again. :)
And for the record, my wife and I DID go to high school together. Met the last day of eighth grade, been married over 24 years. (Just in case this ever comes up when I run for AG... :) )10/27/2005 09:56:00 AM|W|P|StPaul_DFLer|W|P|JOrdan, lay out the case for johnson and the case against Entenza. I'll do the same.
I'm a partisan. Hence my name. If you got over and read what I've written, you'll notice that I'm not silent when those who agree with me step out of line. Nobody, and I do mean nobody has gone after 'i hate mde' stronger than i have. I was the first to ask mde to file charges and suggest that footprints from the ip address may be present. I also went after the Lefty Liberal on here. I'm a partisan, but not a head up my ass partisan. You however seem to follow Reagans 11th Commandment, "thou shalt not speak ill of another republican". That's what blind partisans do. Hell even 'Repubilcan Minnesota' posted a story on the CIA Leak Indictments on his blog. He titled it "F*ck", but he posted it.
You call DFLers cheaters, and yet when you are gunned with opposing facts, you want to slice and dice how I said something instead of addressing the meat of what I said.
You're a tired partisan that still reaching. Here's your chance.
Lay out the case for Johnson AND against Entenza. I will defend Entenza with Matt's own record and kick Johnson down with his.
Ball's in your court...10/27/2005 10:04:00 AM|W|P|StPaul_DFLer|W|P|I don't what happened to this post but I stated that when you live in a small town, sometimes the better looking girls or the girls that will date you come from other towns or schools. Its the ol' grass is always greener thing.
That;s the case case here, they were high school sweethearts.
I happen to know this part of the state very well. use to debate a skinny kid who read the almanac all the time from Marshall. He went on to Southwest State to debate me in student government and then went on to teach and serve in the legislature where he serves today on the other side of the aisle. I chose to not be poor as an adult and went on to make some money and them get into this political sphere.
Anywho, Matt and Lois are older than e and I never meant to indicate that they were in the same school. Just that as teenagers they were dating.10/26/2005 09:05:00 AM|W|P|Minnesota Democrats Exposed|W|P|I tip my hat to the Republican Party of Minnesota for sticking it to Hatch and Entenza this week with solid hits.
Under Cloud of FEC Investigation, Matt Entenza Kicks Off Campaign to Buy Attorney General’s Office
St. Paul - Republican Party of Minnesota Chairman Ron Carey today responded to Matt Entenza's entry into the Attorney General’s race:
"Last year Matt Entenza tried to buy the Minnesota House of Representatives with a $300,000 donation to the 21st Century Democrats. This shadowy group was penalized with a record fine of over $300,000 from the state Campaign Finance and Public Disclosure Board.
"This year Matt Entenza is trying to buy the Minnesota Attorney General's Office in spite of an ongoing FEC investigation into the illegal activities of the 21st Century Democrats.
"In addition, Entenza's voting record and leadership of House Democrats is extremely liberal and out of touch with mainstream Minnesotans.
"Matt Entenza needs to come clean today and answer some serious questions. Every Minnesotan deserves to know answers to the following questions:
1. Will Matt Entenza abide by state spending limits?
2. What is the precise nature of Matt Entenza's relationship with the 21st Century Democrats?
3. How did DFL House candidates backed by the 21st Century Democrats benefit from this involvement in their campaigns?
4. What role will 21st Century Democrats play in Matt Entenza's Attorney General campaign?
|W|P|113034330348169315|W|P|REPUBLICAN RESPONSE TO ENTENZA ANNOUNCEMENT A SOLID ONE - TWO PUNCH|W|Pfirstname.lastname@example.org/26/2005 09:54:00 AM|W|P|StPaul_DFLer|W|P|Again- do the Republicans really want to start off by talking about spending limits. While Matt has not been found in violation of anything, just accused, the Republican Governor Tim Pawlenty was fined $800,000 for his campaigns lawbreaking.
Source: Republican Party of Minnesota
$800,000!10/26/2005 10:06:00 AM|W|P|Minnesota Democrats Exposed|W|P|It was $600,000 or $100,000 depending on who you ask.
It was not $800,00010/26/2005 10:22:00 AM|W|P|Mike S|W|P|And neither 21st Century Democrats or Entenza were fined for what they did together. This is an example of the GOP trying to make a there when, there is no there there. Typicaly. If A helped B, and B was fined, A must also be guilty. By that logic the entire GOP is involved in a national conspiricy to undermine our national defence by illegally disclosing covert CIA operatives.
No one would be stupid enough to believe that, so hopefully they won't bite on this 21st Century Dems/Entenza crap.10/26/2005 11:27:00 AM|W|P|StPaul_DFLer|W|P|It came out to total of $800,000 weren't you working with them at the time?
I'll figure how.
One thing you can't dispute is that his fine for cheating is the biggest one in the state's history.10/28/2005 07:25:00 AM|W|P|Minnesotah|W|P|"undermine our national defence by illegally disclosing covert CIA operatives."
WTH?? If anyone is undermining our national defense it's the CIA itself (and Who's Who in America).10/28/2005 08:06:00 AM|W|P|StPaul_DFLer|W|P|Going personal on people with the security clearances that the Wilson have, puts them and their contacts in danger.
I love these Republicans who are trial and national security experts.
These guys fucked with our national security for political purposes that at worst, sent us into a war with false causes.
Treason.10/28/2005 11:04:00 AM|W|P|Minnesotah|W|P|You are the one who needs some expertise. Having security clearance doesn't mean ANYTHING. Just having a security clearance doesn't protect you from public criticism. Where did you get that idea??
Valerie Plame was not a covert operative, nor had she been on foreign assignment as a covert operative in the five years prior to Novak's article. It is not against the law to name a CIA employee who is not an undercover agent (George Tenet, anyone? Is he immune, too?).
Also, by the way: Joe Wilson didn't have any security clearance at the time he was sent to Niger. In fact he had zero intelligence background, and almost everything he has said has been thoroughly discredited by the senate intelligence committee reports.10/28/2005 11:19:00 AM|W|P|Minnesotah|W|P|Heck, my some of my coworkers (at a private corporation) have top security clearances, you can bet I criticise them in writing now and again. We even mention the Dept of Defense in our client list on the website. Is there a problem with that? Maybe according to you there is.
Having a security clearance is like being a CPA. It's just a designation and it's not a super big ultra secret deal.10/29/2005 09:05:00 AM|W|P|StPaul_DFLer|W|P|Listen and try to comprehend the facts.
This whole case was intiated to the Department of Justice by the CIA, signed off by George Tenet after reading Plames name in Novak's article.
Get that? The CIA felt that this was a crime. You know, the Agency in charge of assigning the levels of clearance and who's cover is what.
You jackasses are arguing against yourselves.
The CIA has maintained that Wilson was chosen for the trip by senior officials in the Directorate of Operations counterproliferation division (CPD) -- not by his wife -- largely because he had handled a similar agency inquiry in Niger in 1999. On that trip, Plame, who worked in that division, had suggested him because he was planning to go there, according to Wilson and the Senate committee report.
So, aside from his life risking acts of patriotism from the previous 15 years as a FSO, he had exact experience in inquiring the same government about the same concerns.
1. The CIA felt the cover of one of their agents was blown.
2. Joe Wilson was experienced and knowledgable and the CIA signed off on him.
3. Two criminals have been indicted in this White House and more are coming.10/31/2005 10:39:00 AM|W|P|Minnesotah|W|P|1. The CIA "feeling" that the cover was blown does not change the fact that the statute in question has clear requirements as I mentioned above. If the CIA believes the statute is insufficient, they need to lobby Congress to change it. Here's to the rule of law.
2. Joe Wilson, according to the senate intelligence report, WAS recommended by his wife on two occasions, despite having no background in the intelligence community and no prior security clearances. That is a documented fact, so you can keep your "CIA maintains".
3. The charge against Scooter is on perjury, a separate issue. I am with you on that one. In fact I'm glad the Democrats once again recognize perjury for the evil it is. Here's to the rule of law.10/31/2005 01:59:00 PM|W|P|StPaul_DFLer|W|P|1.Special Prosecutor felt the same. This is from his transcripts:
...Before I talk about those charges and what the indictment alleges, I'd like to put the investigation into a little context.
Valerie Wilson was a CIA officer. In July 2003, the fact that Valerie Wilson was a CIA officer was classified. Not only was it classified, but it was not widely known outside the intelligence community.
Valerie Wilson's friends, neighbors, college classmates had no idea she had another life.
FITZGERALD: The fact that she was a CIA officer was not well- known, for her protection or for the benefit of all us. It's important that a CIA officer's identity be protected, that it be protected not just for the officer, but for the nation's security.
Valerie Wilson's cover was blown in July 2003. The first sign of that cover being blown was when Mr. Novak published a column on July 14th, 2003.
2. Joe Wilson's qualifications:
Joe Wilson's qualifications: (1) former ambassador to Niger; (2) former foreign service officer in Baghdad, Iraq (for which he was commended by Pres. Bush41); (3) through his wife, he would have access to any technical information needed to evaluate intel on WMD.
3. Scooter was not just indicted for perjury, but for five serious counts. Five that could see him prison for 30 years. One count of obstruction of justice, two counts of perjury and two counts of making false statements.
See the difference?10/26/2005 06:32:00 AM|W|P|Minnesota Democrats Exposed|W|P|11:45 a.m. ENTENZA-ATTORNEY GENERAL House DFL Leader Matt Entenza announces candidacy for state attorney general.
Location: Matt Entenza's home, 1647 Portland Ave., St. Paul
Contacts: John Van Hecke, (651) 245-1850
Once again, Minnesota Democrats Exposed has been proven a reliable source. |W|P|113033399833633077|W|P|DETAILS ON ENTENZA FOR ATTORNEY GENERAL ANNOUNCEMENT|W|Pemail@example.com/26/2005 06:59:00 AM|W|P|I hate MDE|W|P|10/26/2005 08:08:00 AM|W|P|StPaul_DFLer|W|P|So, after all that we're trying to do to lend support you as this guy posts your name and address, you still are on your mission. You damn well that Entenza is annoucing down in Worthington, not in St Paul. That wouldn't fit you agenda, so you publish his address again. Are you an idiot MDE?
Maybe the chickens are coming home to roost.10/26/2005 08:12:00 AM|W|P|Shark.bait|W|P|I just don’t get it! Why are you and the DFL so obsessed with who MDE is? Nobody cares who any of the pro DFL bloggers are! All you are doing by being this big of a prick is proving that MDE is right about the DFL and that the loony left will do anything to silence him/her because he hits too close to home for you.
Who ever MDE is, s/he has every right to the First Amendment that you or I have. You may not like what s/he has to say, but that’s tough! Nowhere in the Constitution does it state that you have the right not to be offended by what someone says.
Right now, you are going off of what? An email address that might or might not be actually registered to a Michael Brodkorb? I could go out and get a hotmail account and have anyone’s cell phone I want listed…that doesn’t make me that person. What happens with Mr. Brodkorb has a family and you have falsely accused him?
I also have to find irony in the fact that you are such a chicken shit that you are hiding behind the anonymity that you are so desperately trying to remove from MDE. If you were a REAL man, you would place your name on the line if you were SOOO certain in your claim about the identity of MDE.
GROW UP AND MOVE ON!!!10/26/2005 08:12:00 AM|W|P|Minnesota Democrats Exposed|W|P|St. Paul DFL:
Entenza has a press conference scheduled at 11:45 at his home. The information above came from Entenza's press release.
His event in Worthington was at 8:00 am.
I am not sure what I did wrong.10/26/2005 08:17:00 AM|W|P|I hate MDE|W|P|10/26/2005 08:48:00 AM|W|P|North Star Politics|W|P|Though you did misspell "reliable."10/26/2005 08:59:00 AM|W|P|Sean Broom|W|P|halloween is monday somebody dressed in a costume could get candy at your house...
Thats a pretty spectacular violation of anyones privacy and security. Whats implicit in it is also disgusting.
You really need to knock this shit off.
Sean10/26/2005 09:05:00 AM|W|P|Minnesota Democrats Exposed|W|P|Damn you North Star Politics. You always catch my mistakes.
MDE10/26/2005 09:57:00 AM|W|P|StPaul_DFLer|W|P|MDE, you know exactly what you're doing. You and I were in the same business and even utilized the tactics of the some of the same people.
The headline should be:
MDE, a reliable souce!?!?10/26/2005 10:00:00 AM|W|P|Minnesota Democrats Exposed|W|P|Please spell it out for me.10/26/2005 11:25:00 AM|W|P|StPaul_DFLer|W|P|So I can look like a wingnut conspiracy subscribers?
I'd rather not.
I stand corrected on your intent, and should not have assigned any to you in this case. Mea Culpa and you can delete the post if you wish.
On another note, don't you think its time to stop posting any personal contact information on here of your exposed opponents? At the personal info that would expose their family?10/26/2005 03:44:00 PM|W|P|The Lady Logician|W|P|"On another note, don't you think its time to stop posting any personal contact information on here of your exposed opponents? At the personal info that would expose their family? "
If the personal contact information is published by the person (in this case Mr. Entenza's home address) in a piece of campaign literature, you have to figure that Mr. Entenza approved that information going out to the public.
Contrast that to a blogger who, because of idiots like I hate MDE, chooses to remain anonymous.....10/25/2005 07:14:00 PM|W|P|Minnesota Democrats Exposed|W|P|
On September 9, 2005, I posted that Matt Entenza would announce his campaign for attorney general on or near the same day Mike Hatch announced his campaign for governor.
"Another one of MDE's fine St. Paul sources learned this week that House Minority Leader Matt Entenza and Attorney General Mike Hatch may now be happy together after all.
Entenza has been telling people that he will announce his campaign for Attorney General on or near the same day that Hatch announces his bid for Governor."
Now Checks and Balances is confirming the information from my post on September 9, 2005:
"We wrote last week that House Minority Leader Matt Entenza (DFL-64A, St. Paul) would likely be announcing his bid for Attorney General on October 26th and now we can confirm it as a reality. Entenza will be in Worthington, his hometown, making a formal statement of candidacy flanked by school teachers he studied under at 8:00 AM. He then travels back to the Twin Cities and then onto Duluth."
Once again, Minnesota Democrats Exposed has been proven a realiable source.
|W|P|113029401467691511|W|P|MDE EXCLUSIVE: HATCH AND ENTENZA -- SO HAPPY TOGETHER? #2|W|Pfirstname.lastname@example.org/25/2005 07:57:00 PM|W|P|I hate MDE|W|P|10/25/2005 02:02:00 PM|W|P|Minnesota Democrats Exposed|W|P|I have been waiting since August for the unveiling of Minnesota Republicans Exposed.
Is this it?
What a bummer.
|W|P|113027451513218421|W|P|MINNESOTA REPUBLICANS EXPOSED|W|Pemail@example.com/25/2005 08:00:00 PM|W|P|North Star Politics|W|P|This is NOT the site I proposed back in August. I have no information on who is running it.10/25/2005 11:33:00 AM|W|P|Minnesota Democrats Exposed|W|P|
The picture above was taken at Hatch's announcement yesterday and shows someone collecting donations for Hatch's campaign.
While "passing the hat" for contributions is not illegal, it is a violation of Minnesota Campaign Finance Laws to accept an anonymous contribution of more $20.
"An anonymous contribution of more than $20. An anonymous contribution is one for which the name and full address of the contributor cannot be determined.
You must forward the entire anonymous contribution to the Board within 14 days for deposit in the general account of the State Elections Campaign Fund." Source: Minnesota Campaign Finance and Public Disclosure Board.
If anyone putting more than $20 in the hat didn't provide their name and full address, then the contributions must be returned.
|W|P|113026518872026563|W|P|PASSING THE HAT FOR HATCH|W|Pfirstname.lastname@example.org/25/2005 12:25:00 PM|W|P|I hate MDE|W|P|10/25/2005 01:48:00 PM|W|P|Tony|W|P|Prediction: hats being passed around as fund raisers will be seen more frequently than ever at DFL events.
There is no way to kno if people dropped more than $20. I bet that even if there were $50s & $100s in the hats the campaign would not forward them. How would they get caught?
Consider this tactic the loophole that allows larger than $20 anonymous contributions. While you're at it, consider that in the future there will be hats passed around so that people can get around their own personal limits. All they have to do is drop $20s into the hat "anonymously" and, voila, they can easily contribute more than any campaign limits.10/25/2005 02:14:00 PM|W|P|Da Polga|W|P|I think you're going a little overboard here with the conspiracy theory.
Perhaps you would consider screaming about something other than a hat that appears to have something sticking partially out of it.
Perhaps the fact that he's using a damn top hat. I would think a regular old twins hate would have been enough to circumvent election laws.10/25/2005 02:15:00 PM|W|P|Da Polga|W|P|*twins hat*. No hate for the Twins.10/25/2005 02:49:00 PM|W|P|StPaul_DFLer|W|P|If I was a GOPer on here, I'd be very quiet about ways to cheat the campaign finance regulations. Afterall, they have been hit with the biggest fine in state history, and a more indictments in the last four years than the DFL in the previous ten.
Shhhhhh! Be wary wary quiet, you don't want to wattle that cage.10/25/2005 04:36:00 PM|W|P|Mike S|W|P|Clearly no one posting here has any sense of campaign finance law. Campaigns are required to account for all of their money. While they only publicly report those that contribute over $100, they need to show how many donors they have and what the total raised is from small donors. If people started dropping large contributions in hats it would throw off all their records. It is really more troublesome than its worth.
What you should be worried about are the unlimited soft money contributions continuing to flow into state party's accounts. Pawlenty, two summers ago, was continually rocked by scandel after scandel relaiting to his and the GOP's finance practices. Numerous aides and I believe his campaign treasurer have been investigated and/or indicted in this.
All this without even having to mention Tom DeLay's illegal fundraising that helped 'elect' GOP members of Congress in re-districted Texas.11/18/2005 02:10:00 PM|W|P|Tracy|W|P|It's funny when someone talks about how it woudl se so hard to track the cash that it wouldn't be worth it.
It's cash you moron!
I seem to remember a lot of republicans NOT being convicted of charges. They do seem to be a target for liberal attorneys.11/23/2005 08:52:00 PM|W|P|