12/13/2005 07:39:00 PM|W|P|Minnesota Democrats Exposed|W|P|
Duluth Mayor Herb Bergson after his arrest for DUI
Many in Duluth seek answers from mayor
Duluth Mayor Herb Bergson, whose reputation and leadership ability were tarnished by a drunken-driving arrest last weekend, is compounding the damage by refusing to explain the incident, cloistering himself at home and missing important city meetings, officials and pundits said Tuesday.
"I'm not going to advocate his resignation," said City Council Member Jim Stauber, a conservative counterbalance to the liberal DFL-supported mayor. "We all make mistakes. But he's gotta come clean if he wants to regain public confidence."
Stauber said the mayor must either admit to a drinking problem and deal with it or come back to work and lead the city.
Stauber's comments, versions of which were echoing in blogs and coffee shops all over Duluth on Tuesday, came after a crucial City Council meeting Monday night from which Bergson, who was home nursing cuts and bruises, was absent.
The meeting dealt with what Council President Donny Ness called "the biggest issue to face Duluth in decades" -- the presentation of a task force's solutions to a projected $280 million debt on retiree health care, which officials say could bankrupt the city within years if not headed off by aggressive budgeting.
Bergson had consistently pushed the issue to the top of the city's agenda and was featured Sunday in a New York Times story on the nation's problem with retirees and health care.
Conversely, Minnesota newspapers Sunday were focused on his arrest in Wisconsin after he totaled a car Friday evening in a single-vehicle accident while traveling to Chicago on city business.
Duluthians are scratching their heads over the amount of alcohol involved -- Bergson's blood-alcohol content was measured at 0.161 percent, or twice Wisconsin's legal driving limit -- as well as the time of the accident, 6:25 p.m., and the fact that Bergson was headed to Chicago three days before a two-hour conference he was to attend.
They're also troubled by police reports that say Bergson -- a former police officer and mayor of Superior, Wis. -- asked others to refrain from calling the police and instead help him push his car free from a guardrail.
In a scathing editorial Tuesday, the Duluth News Tribune said the jail booking photo of Bergson's bleary and battered face was the "worst mug shot since Glenn Campbell['s]."
"If ever there was an illustration," the editorial said, "of just how far, and how quickly, needlessly foolish and irresponsible behavior can sink someone from the heights of achievement to the gutter of embarrassment, this was it."
While Bergson announced the arrest himself via e-mail, he refused to explain other details other than to call it an isolated, "tragic mistake" not indicative of a drinking problem.
He said in an e-mail Monday that he can't talk about specifics of the incident while the matter is pending in court, although he said he plans to plead no contest. He did not respond to e-mailed questions for this story.
Bergson's stance thus far won't easily wash with voters or colleagues in City Hall, said Prof. Craig Grau of the Political Science Department of the University of Minnesota Duluth.
"Maybe there isn't a drinking problem," Grau said. "But if that's true, he'll need to provide an alternative explanation that makes sense to people, and right now, these facts are hard for people to square."
Bergson announced through a spokesman Tuesday that he'll return to work Thursday and issue a statement. The News Tribune's editorial said that for his sake, the mayor better have a lot to say.
"Bergson can begin to undo, or at least put into some perspective, his troubles," the paper said, "by immediately coming clean on the details of the debacle before rumors and innuendo finish the job of burying him that he himself started on the road." Source: Star Tribune, December 13, 2005
|W|P|113453159658842460|W|P|BERGSON IN BIG TROUBLE IN DULUTH|W|Pfirstname.lastname@example.org/13/2005 02:45:00 PM|W|P|Minnesota Democrats Exposed|W|P|SCSU Scholars has the details.|W|P|113451420572897233|W|P|COLLEGE DEMOCRAT TOMFOOLERY IN ST. CLOUD|W|Pemail@example.com/13/2005 05:33:00 PM|W|P|Kevin from Minneapolis|W|P|I know from students I know at SCSU that the DFL is going around signing up students to get absentee ballots and dismissing questions regarding whether it is legal to be registered in two places.12/13/2005 10:33:00 PM|W|P|Mike S|W|P|State law states that students may be registered either at their campus address, or at their parents' home address if that is still their permanent residence. Typically, most students I knew in college voted at their school address, as that is their home for the four years they were there. If they live there, they are counted in the census and thus the population of a district comprising one person one vote. The Governor chose this date specifically to supress the student's will.12/14/2005 07:42:00 AM|W|P|Kevin from Minneapolis|W|P|But they can't be registered at both and that is what the college dems are telling them is okay. Plus, with our wacky registration laws, one real voter can walk in with a gang of frauds and vouch for them.
In my opinion, no election in a college town carries any legitimacy. Our rules are way to easy to exploit, but we can't change them because it's job security for certain folks.12/14/2005 07:42:00 AM|W|P|StPaul_DFLer|W|P|The absetee process is that no matter where you are registered before the election, absentee ballot will be your official vote(like same day registration)- UNLESS, you vote somewhere else on election day. Then your absentee ballot discarded.
So the students are within their right. Afterall, they are counted as part of the population as well as the local economy.
I love seeing the differenct excuses Republicans bring up when initiating anything that can suppress the minority or youth vote. They know those votes mostly benefit Democrats.12/15/2005 07:56:00 AM|W|P|Kevin from Minneapolis|W|P|So would you please explain to me how we track this? Why couldn't a student (in a normal election year) vote absentee in his or her hometown - say, Alexandria - and then sameday register in St. Cloud or any other college town?
Ballots are anonymous aren't they? If they found someone did this how would they know which ballot was yours? Maybe they keep absentee ballots on record, I guess I don't know.
Who is charged with catching these double votes? Secretary of State?
What about out-of-state students? If I moved here from Sodak, why can't I vote in both places - who's going to check that?
And what about sameday frauds? If I know a person registered in a college town (or anywhere else) what is to stop me from bringing a bunch of friends of there and having my friend vouch for all of us? I would say that should be even more of a worry for this special election because fradulent voters won't be voting anywhere else that day so there would be no way to double check their records.
This all stinks to the high heavens. How can anyone think our elections here are even remotely legitimate?12/13/2005 02:20:00 PM|W|P|Minnesota Democrats Exposed|W|P|I have been informed that Tarryl Clark refused to be interviewed by the gentlemen behind
"Race to the Right."
What is Tarryl hiding?
For more information on the Tarryl Clark visit St. Cloud Lawyer Lobbyist.
|W|P|113451336939108643|W|P|TARRYL CLARK'S MEDIA BLACKOUT|W|Pfirstname.lastname@example.org/13/2005 06:21:00 PM|W|P|North Star Politics|W|P|Ms. Clark is undoubtedly too busy campaigning for her win on the 27th. Why do you believe that she needs to accept an invitation from a conservative program? Would you also write a post on Rep. Kennedy's or Pres. Bush's refusal to be interviewed by the student behind North Star Politics?12/14/2005 10:01:00 AM|W|P|DeKlined|W|P|"Race to the right" has such lousy ratings that not even podcasters will take time to be interviewed on it. Why would a campaign even waste their time on it. BTW have you seen what the program director of that radio station is trying to get away with in his campaign literature? Fake photos of his supporters!12/14/2005 01:40:00 PM|W|P|Tony|W|P|Just for the record, we have been very fair to all of the canidates, Left & Right, that have come on our show. Every local public figure attacked has been given opportunity to refute.
Our philosophy regarding having candidates on our show is to let the people hear what they have to say. Period.
Why should she accept the invitation? Because we are a St Cloud station and she is running in a St Cloud race.
We made the offer to her and gave her first choice of which show to appear on. Ochsner would have been left with the remainder show. It was not a confrontation set-up and listening to the archives would show that. Scott Mortensen I think would say we were very good to him. Coleen Rowley was treated well the first time (and we crossed signals the second time).
Candidates can dig their own graves or build their own pedestal when we invite them on. (Commentators are a different story.) We also warn candidates if we are planning to be aggressive...and for refusing those appearances we say nothing publicly.
Just thought I should clarify the significance of Tarryl's refusal.12/13/2005 01:24:00 PM|W|P|Minnesota Democrats Exposed|W|P|This is a great press release from the Republican Party of Minnesota.
"Mike Hatch's deeply irresponsible comments on illegal immigration demonstrate a troubling misunderstanding of this important issue. For the chief law enforcement officer of the state to praise illegal immigration and dismiss any attempts to reform a system that costs Minnesotans $188 million a year is just flat out wrong. As a nation of immigrants, we should support immigration but immigration that is legal." - Republican Party of Minnesota Chairman Ron Carey
Mike Hatch Dismisses Attempts To Reform Illegal Immigration, Praises Illegal Immigration
"And while Pawlenty has recently drawn attention on illegal immigration,holding a public hearing in Worthington, it's basically a federal issue. 'The governor has nothing to do with illegal immigrants,' [Hatch] said. 'He can kick it all around he wants, but it's a national policy.' A report from Pawlenty's office late last week showed the cost of illegal immigrants to state services, but Hatch said it failed to show positive attributes, such as providing low-cost labor and in paying taxes." ("Hatch brings campaign for governor to Bemidji," Bemidji Pioneer, December 11, 2005)
|W|P|113450967354986735|W|P|REPUBLICAN PARTY OF MINNESOTA ON MIKE HATCH'S IMMIGRATION COMMENTS|W|Pemail@example.com/14/2005 11:27:00 AM|W|P|Kevin from Minneapolis|W|P|The war in Iraq is basically a federal issue as well, but that doesn't stop local Democrats from espousing their terrorist-friendly strategy.12/13/2005 11:01:00 AM|W|P|Minnesota Democrats Exposed|W|P|
Click on the pictures for the SEIU's holiday tunes
Last Tuesday, Minnesota hospital workers and members of SEIU Local 113 launched the "Together for Quality Care'' campaign to improve the quality and affordability of health care.
The event was held at Bethany Lutheran Church in Minneapolis and numerous DFL elected officials were scheduled to attend.
SEIU workers handed out the words to rally songs and chants for the crowd. They took the words to Christmas songs and changed them into propaganda songs for workers rights.
Is nothing sacred? Why not turn Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer into a union steward?
I encourage the readers of Minnesota Democrats Exposed to ignore the traditional holidays songs and to go caroling through your neighborhoods signing the SEIU holiday tunes.
I would dress warm because your neighbors may throw cold-water and snowballs at you.
|W|P|113450051007644935|W|P|CHRISTMAS CAROLS COMPLIMENTS OF SEIU|W|Pfirstname.lastname@example.org/13/2005 01:55:00 PM|W|P|John Jordan.com|W|P|I think I'm going to hurl.12/13/2005 05:34:00 PM|W|P|Kevin from Minneapolis|W|P|I can't believe they acknowledged the existence of Christmas!12/13/2005 08:36:00 AM|W|P|Minnesota Democrats Exposed|W|P|
Hatch Flip Flops on Another Run for Office
"Michael Hatch said Saturday he will not support Gov. Rudy Perpich because of the governor's personal attacks against Independent-Republican challenger Jon Grunseth. ...Hatch said he's not supporting anyone for governor at this time. 'Obviously, by doing this I have no further interest in politics. I'm burning my bridges,' he said. Hatch said he believes he won't be able to run for political office again because he's not being a team player and supporting Perpich. He added: 'That's OK. I have other lives to live.'" (Betty Wilson, "Hatch Withdraws Perpich Support, Opposes Tactics," Star Tribune, October 14, 1990) |W|P|113449177028736537|W|P|HATCH FLIP-FLOP OF THE WEEK: ANOTHER RUN FOR OFFICE|W|Pemail@example.com/13/2005 07:58:00 AM|W|P|Minnesota Democrats Exposed|W|P|In their endless quest to print anything that presents Republicans in a less than favorable light, Minnesota reporters overlooked one very important part of last week's Saint Cloud State University poll- Kelly Doran's inability to make progress in his bid for governor.
In spite of his unprecedented television and radio buys, Kelly Doran remains virtually unknown to most Minnesotans. Only 20.4% of Minnesotans polled knew his name, according to the recent SCSU poll.
With that kind of lack of improvement, it looks like Doran's gubernatorial ambitions may be heading the way of his failed senate bid. |W|P|113448971075135461|W|P|DORAN'S DOLLARS CAN'T BUY NAME ID|W|Pfirstname.lastname@example.org/13/2005 09:08:00 AM|W|P|MN Campaign Report|W|P|One might be shocked, but I agree with you on this one. Spending that much money at this point in the race, when most voters ACTIVELY don't care about even top-of-the-ticket races, was a big mistake, and doesn't make much of a statement to the other candidates other than to show off one's bankroll.12/13/2005 10:46:00 AM|W|P|ReaganBlows|W|P|Seems to me Doran's still lagging behind the pack. If you are not at all active in the party, you don't deserve the endorsement.12/13/2005 11:15:00 AM|W|P|John Jordan.com|W|P|Seems to me Doran's still lagging behind the pack. If you are not at all active in the party, you don't deserve the endorsement.
I don't know if I agree or not so don't take this as argumentative...
Manning phone banks? (Sorry, personning phone banks...)
Doorknocking for other candidates?
Showing up at precinct caucuses?
There are different levels of activity, some are more public than others. There are lots of candidates through the years who weren't overly active in a party but because 1) they were agreement with the principles of that party and 2) delegates thought they could win that they got the nod.
So I was just curious what Doran has to do to be qualified under the qualification of "active".12/13/2005 03:50:00 PM|W|P|Politically Wise|W|P|Ohh dear, do we have to do this again. I think we all know Doran is not, let me repeat: NOT, running for the endorsement, he is running for the primary.
As far as the poll results, if I am reading the same numbers as you, then I don't think this is bad for Doran at all. He is only about 60 people behind Kelley and only 40 behind Lourey, who both have run before and are elected officials who have had the media at times. Plus, Doran had to build from completely nothing, I'd say its pretty good for a beginner.
Also, yes I would like a definition of "active". Some people give money, others lick letters, others call people. It's all part of the process, unfortunately some people are a little busy, so maybe the easiest thing is to donate, which is what Doran has done.12/12/2005 07:05:00 PM|W|P|Minnesota Democrats Exposed|W|P|I have just been informed that some of Kelly Doran's billboards from his defunct U.S. Senate campaign are still up. One of Doran's billboards was recently spotted on Highway 61 near Winona.
If you are keeping track at home, Doran ended his campaign for the U.S. Senate 83 days ago.
I will have more on Doran's billboards tomorrow.
|W|P|113444450699137796|W|P|UPDATE: MDE EXCLUSIVE: ARE DORAN'S U.S. SENATE BILLBOARDS ILLEGAL? #3|W|Pemail@example.com/13/2005 10:29:00 AM|W|P|ReaganBlows|W|P|Why don't you go replace it with a "Free DeLay" billboard?12/12/2005 05:52:00 PM|W|P|Minnesota Democrats Exposed|W|P|According to a new report, illegal immigration costs Minnesota $180 million annually, but Mike Hatch thinks it has "postive attributes."
"'The governor has nothing to do with illegal immigrants,' he [Mike Hatch] said. 'He can kick it all around he wants, but it's a national policy.'
A report from Pawlenty's office late last week showed the cost of illegal immigrants to state services, but Hatch said it failed to show positive attributes, such as providing low-cost labor and in paying taxes." Source: Bemidji Pioneer, December 11, 2005|W|P|113444015909027010|W|P|HATCH BELIEVES ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION HAS "POSTIVE ATTRIBUTES"|W|Pfirstname.lastname@example.org/12/2005 07:23:00 PM|W|P|lloydletta|W|P|A stopped clock is correct twice a day. On this one, Hatch is correct.12/12/2005 07:31:00 PM|W|P|North Star Politics|W|P|Jeebus, $180? That's one hell of a burden on the taxpayers.12/12/2005 07:51:00 PM|W|P|Kevin from Minneapolis|W|P|Oh, but what about what they bring into the state? I mean, so what if they're breaking the law by being here, they pay taxes, which is all any American is worth, right?12/12/2005 10:40:00 PM|W|P|Sean Broom|W|P|So aside from the dog whistle politics that you types play all the time, what about Mike Hatch's comments are wrong? What did he say that isn't factually correct?
Don't illegal immegrants bring something like 300 M. a year in tax revenues?
Don't illegal immegrants work low cost labor that few other people are willing to work?
Isn't this a national issue? That a Vice-Presidential candidate Governor of a state on the border with CANADA starts whining about this? Really what can Tim-Paw do?
Sean12/13/2005 07:11:00 AM|W|P|Kevin from Minneapolis|W|P|The state can do something. Did you know Minneapolis has what amounts to a "catch and release" policy with illegal immigrants? Essentially if they catch you in the country illegally they ignore it, in condradiction to state and federal laws.
Maybe Minneapolis should just get it over with and withdraw from the nation.12/13/2005 07:47:00 AM|W|P|John Jordan.com|W|P|I love it when someone defends something that's clearly illegal. It's even better when it's a top law enforcement official of the state who is running for governor as a tough guy.12/13/2005 10:38:00 AM|W|P|ReaganBlows|W|P|This is obviously a federal issue. T-Paw is just trying to play the immigrant card to get votes, plain and simple. He knows that the INS doesn’t care about deporting most illegal residents here, so the local cops can’t do much even if they wanted to.12/12/2005 02:13:00 PM|W|P|Minnesota Democrats Exposed|W|P|
Doran's contributions to Republicans are making Democrats angry
When Kelly Doran was attacked in a letter to DFL activists about his contribution history to Democrat and Republican candidates, his campaign issued a quick response.
Part of that response warrants further examination.
"Other campaign contribution information excluded from the letter include:
Kelly and Maria Doran have given $10,000 to the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee after getting out of the U.S. Senate race. Kelly and Maria Doran have given $5,000 to the DFL Senate Caucus. Kelly and Maria Doran have given $2,000 to John Kerry's campaign for President. Kelly and Maria Doran have given $2,000 to the Democratic National Committee.
Kelly and Maria Doran have given thousands of additional dollars to federal, state and local DFL candidates." Source: Tonya Tennessen, Kelly Doran for Governor communications director.
The reality is this: Kelly Doran's campaign cannot go back in time and add his name to contributions actually made by his wife.
According to the FEC, Maria Doran, not Kelly, gave money $2000 to John Kerry.
According to the FEC, Maria Doran, not Kelly, gave $2000 to the Democratic National Committee.
I assume the $5,000 contribution referenced in Doran's response to the DFL Senate Caucus was made at the state level and therefore it cannot be verified until the reports become public next year.
I have yet to locate the $10,000 contribution to the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee, but I will find it.
In fact, according to the Minnesota Campaign Finance and Public Disclosure, Kelly Doran made no contributions to Democrats candidates from 1998 to 2004.
It was only after Doran decided to run as Democrat did he start contributing to Democrats. |W|P|113441424376752039|W|P|DORAN'S CAMPAIGN SPINNING CONTRIBUTION RECORD|W|Pemail@example.com/12/2005 03:36:00 PM|W|P|Politically Wise|W|P|Here's the explanation, as any common sense person may think. As they have been married for many years and they were for sure married during the 2004 presidential election and well before the 1998 elections, the checks were most likely signed by Maria. So what, who cares, it's not going back and adding his name, the money came from both of them, the check just has Maria's name on it. And to be honest, I don't know much about Maria, but I am willing to be nearly all the money came from Kelly Doran and his millions. So, basically, I still enjoy this site, but this is a terrible scoop.12/12/2005 03:42:00 PM|W|P|Minnesota Democrats Exposed|W|P|According to the FEC, Maria contributed, not Kelly like his campaign is claiming.
It's a solid hit. It's confusing, but still a solid hit.
Doran's campaign wants to boost his contribution history to Democcrats.12/12/2005 04:13:00 PM|W|P|John Jordan.com|W|P|When Kelly Doran was attacked in a letter to DFL activists about his contribution history to Democrat and Republican candidates
I'm curious. Would these be the same people who complained that Mark Kennedy always voted in "lock step" (98% of the time, is their number) with President Bush?
I guess I'm confused. If a Republican votes one way most of the time it's wrong (lock step, he's not independent, he's being controlled by Karl Rove, etc.) But if a Democrat decides there's an occasional Republican he can support he's castigated for going off the farm (he's not really a Democrat, etc.)
Seems a bit hypocritical, eh?12/12/2005 06:01:00 PM|W|P|Zack|W|P|Just for the record, I'm one of those Democrats who critisizes Mark Kennedy for voting 98% of the time with Bush, and I REALLY do not care that Kelly Doran gave money to some Republicans...just as long as he didn't give any money to John Jordan.12/12/2005 06:17:00 PM|W|P|StPaul_DFLer|W|P|John,
you are confused and cute when you use qualifiers like 'most' and 'occassional'. You know the difference.
Mark Kennedy votes 97% of the time with Bush. Out of literally thousands of votes. That's significant. Bush has an approval rating in Minnesota of about 38%. Negatives are at about 54%. Mark wants to win 51% of those voters. That wasn't the way, but thhe White House barks, he asks which corner should he run in.
Kelly Doran is being busted for trying to portray himself as a long time DFLer, yet there is NO record of his involvment in the Party. His campaign tried to point to his contributions, and MDE has shown us that it may have been his money, but it was his wife's choice. His wife donated the money.
You've been an elected republican and understand how delegates like to support someone who has been committed to the party ideals beyond posturing for office. It looks like Doran is posturing for opportunity.
We have eight members in the U S House. Four and Four. Half of the DFL members more than occassionally support Republican ideals and legislation. Zero of the Republican reps do the same. Even the Rammer has raised up his partisan numbers.12/12/2005 06:38:00 PM|W|P|John Jordan.com|W|P|and I REALLY do not care that Kelly Doran gave money to some Republicans...just as long as he didn't give any money to John Jordan.
Liberals are a funny bunch. When they can't argue the point, they take a shot. It's so endearing.
you are confused and cute when you use qualifiers like 'most' and 'occassional'.
I'm blushing. :)
But after reading your entire post, I still don't see anything that directly addresses the real point. That is, DFL'ers often (is that better than "most" and "occasionally"?) rail against Republicans for voting in "lock step". They then take on their own candidates when they're not "pure" enough for them (gave money to a - oh my - Republican, or once supported a pro-life issue, etc.)
You know this happens. Sure, some very conservative delegates in the Republican Party have a tendency to have their own purity tests. But this is a much larger issue in the DFL, especially when it comes to the younger, more liberal activists.
Doran isn't pure enough for many of those folks so he gets attacked. In reality, he's probably very much what the majority of statewide DFL'ers would like but he'll likely never get past the convention. And that's too bad, he's a nice guy and very pro-business (much more than Hatch, that's for sure).12/12/2005 11:05:00 PM|W|P|StPaul_DFLer|W|P|John,
Nice guys in politics don't remian that way for long. You forget that Doran does insist on Union Labor so you guys may take away his good business points for that.
Actually, Becky Lourey runs a million dollar business in the middle of nowhere and pays a living wage and offers great benefits. She walks it like she talks it and I'm waiting to see if that transfers over to good policy for small business owners- who create most of our jobs.
You also wrote:" You know this happens. Sure, some very conservative delegates in the Republican Party have a tendency to have their own purity tests. But this is a much larger issue in the DFL, especially when it comes to the younger, more liberal activists."
You are easily proven wrong here. Abortion is the litmus test on both sides. The DFL has half of its Congressional Delegation that's pro-Life. They get Party endorsement every year. The Republicans have one that's pro-Choice. In the legislature, you know most of the rural DFLers are pro-Life, the Republicans have less than six. Norm Coleman and Randy Kelly were both well-known vocal opponents of abortion when elected by the liberal majority in Saint Paul. Randy Served 27years as a legislator from St Paul that was pro-Life. The Republicans have zero pro-choicers that made it to office in the last couple of terms.
The DFL is still the big tent party, just go to any state convention. The diversity of race, ideas and geography are clearly present in the DFL's while the GOP is pretty homogeneous.
The extremists have taken over the GOP and it happened under Carlson's watch. The No New Tazes pledge is a great example of how extreme hey Party has gotten. Swearing off responsible governing for endorsments. It almost cost Pawlenty the endorsement, until he made the pledge. Michelle Bachmann replacing moderate Gary Laidig. Moderate Sheila Kiscaden leaving the GOP. The DFL taking 13 seats, many republican areas that found the DFL candidate tolerable over the extreme GOP office holder.
You got any examples of the GOP not being a party of the extreme intolerable Right? One more thing, Ron Carey over Ron Ebinsteiner is a big move further to the Right.12/13/2005 07:14:00 AM|W|P|Kevin from Minneapolis|W|P|If we're going to bank on Becky Lourey to base policy on what's best for small business owners, I'm moving to Texas and a village in Minneapolis will lose an idiot.12/13/2005 10:32:00 AM|W|P|StPaul_DFLer|W|P|Hey party opposite,
That's not what I said. I said that she has figured out how to walk it like she talks it, and did it out in the middle of nowhere, not in the middle of the liberal center of the state. To me, that goes past the rhetoric. A multi-million dollar business that is GOP profitable, but with the Lefty benefits in a rural area. Is that not what we aspire to offer?
If you're wililng to go, I'll pay for your ticket to Texas. BE sure to stop in Washington and pick up a few more Texans. The ones that haven't been indicted of course.12/13/2005 10:33:00 AM|W|P|StPaul_DFLer|W|P|John, you going to bow out of this one too. Everytime I ask you to provide some kind of proof behind your spin, you disappear to the next thread. Don't fret, I'll find you.